>> we don't mind visiting. it's getting there that kind of throws me. how do you get there? >> well, you hop on a plane and you go to africa to get there. >> and? >> when you get to africa, you get to go on a six day climb, an endurance hike. it's not really a climb. but after that, we go on a five day safari. >> but you're taking survivors with you, right? >> anybody can go. we have a handful of survivors that go every year. >> what is the analogy between surviving cancer and then being inspired to take on this kind of a task? something that most people will never accomplish in their life. >> right. there's an uncanny resemblance to climbing and surviving cancer and going through cancer. a, it's an uphill battle and there's a difference between climbing and fighting for your life. when you're fighting for your life, you don't have a choice to give up. you have to continue forward. you have to keep climbing. on the mountain, if something goes wrong, you can regroup and go back. you know, but on the mountain, if there's bad weather, you can retreat and the mountain is