administration. and in that t position, he is privy to every extreme flock and plan that is presented to donald trump and that donald trump considers. he is there for conversations about seizing the voting machines. he s there when a plan is floatedch to send false letterso stateoa officials, saying the d.o.j. and the justice department has found fraud and they should reconsider they re election results. he s there when bill barr turned, offers to turn in his resignation to donald trump and donald trump accepts it after bill barr concludes there is no widespread fraud in the election. and he s there on january 6th, when donald trump is in the oval office, in the dining room, and cipollone and others go in to others to tell him to call off the mob as they re storming the building and donald trump refuses. and accordingre to cassidy hutchinson s testimony, the
white house aide thatin we all w testify last week, that he was there when donald trump said that he was accepting of the mob s endorsement of hanging mike pence, that he thought they had themo right idea. so, and there may be other things that we don t even know about. i m just saying what i know. pat citizen would have had accessg to multiple other conversations that have not yet been reported. so his testimony could potentially be very explosive for the committee. what s your sense of when we re going to find out about his testimony and whether we re going to actually see any of it? well, we re going to do our best to get a lead. as soon as he testifies tomorrow, i don t know if we can guarantee and we have been pretty good, they have been pretty good about keeping leaks to aet minimum. andty we expect pat cipollone, perhaps the second hearing next week, and i do think there is a potential though, of pat cipollone s testimony, it is explosive enough that we could
0 you both for coming on, appreciate it. that is all in on this thursday night msnbc prime starts now with ali veteran good evening ali. ht msnbc prime starts now with ali vetera joining us this hour. he was fired from his very first job for lying. it was his first job as a newspaperjo reporter in london, and he got caught making up quotes. but a more right wing newspaper didn t see that as disqualifying so they stacked him up and sent him to brussels to cover the headquarters of the european union. once there he spent the early 1990ars doing what he did best. he made things up. filed reports about how the autocratic foreignersad running thefi eu were making hair-brain rules about what the u.k. could and couldn t do. thingsai like the shape of britain s strawberries. and how british cheese could be made. and making good old-fashioned english fishermen wear hair nets. there was an even entire column about the eu making condoms too small.um none of this were true but he thought it was