indeed dmemomrization. it s always been directly linked with race. with racism, with white supremacy and with nationalism. and i think in order for us to move beyond that, we need to confront it and understand it. and i think that nancy pelosi went a long way today to just call the problem out for what it is. and she wasn t acting as a partisan official. she was acting as somebody that served the american people and i just hope that others will follow. you concur with steve s central holding that she is preeminent among politicians right now, that she holds a unique position in american politics? she does. and there are democrats that can take a lesson from her as well, let s be clear. but democrats aren t the ones who have abdicated their responsibility to the american people. so, you know, people need to
he s doing the time for you. he s the one that turned to you. it s like watching two old married couples arguing whose fault it was that the dinner was cold or something. but this argument was deadly serious. this is your problem. okay? you have to understand this is no, it s not my problem. it s our problem. isn t it? i would have to say it s more your problem. fred was still very suspicious of frank, asked a few more times if he was wired. and frank frustrated now tried to goad him. i killed lynn, you re saying i killed lynn? nope. who wanted her dead? who benefitted from it, fred? nobody did. frank argued like a man who wasn t acting. maybe he wasn t. oh, really?
he s the one that turned to you. it s like watching two old married couples arguing whose fault it was that the dinner was called cold or something. but this argument was deadly serious. this is your problem. okay? you have to understand this is no, it s not my problem. it s our problem. isn t it? i would have to say it s more your problem. fred was still very suspicious of frank, asked a few more times if he was wired. and frank frustrated now tried to goad him. i killed lynn, you re saying i killed lynn? nope. who wanted her dead? who benefitted from it, fred? nobody did. frank argued like a man who wasn t acting. maybe he wasn t.
no, answer the question. no one on this planet told you that president trump was tying aid to investigations, yes or no? yes. so, you really have no testimony today that ties president trump to a scheme to withhold aid from ukraine in exchange for these investigations? other than my own presumptions. which is nothing. reporter: chairman schiff pushing back. my colleagues seem to think unless the president says the magic words that, i hereby bribe the ukrainians, that there s no evidence of bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors. reporter: but ambassador sondland also insisted he wasn t acting alone. he said everyone was in the loop, and he named names. declaring that everyone from secretary of state mike pompeo to vice president mike pence knew about the campaign to pressure ukraine. the suggestion that we were engaged in some irregular or rogue diplomacy is absolutely false. everyone was in the loop.
for him to do it is unusual. attorney/client privilege is communications between a lawyer and client to get legal advice. this is rudy, he even says, i wasn t acting as his lawyer, talking to everyone in ukraine, et cetera, no real plausible argument he s somehow communicating with trump to give trump legal advice. that s the short answer. that is the answer we ll leave it with. i appreciate your time, peter baker from the new york times and harry, washington post columnist. ukraine s top where joe biden s son sat on the board. ukraine s involvement and be sure to watch tomorrow night on msnbc, 9:00 p.m. eastern time. ari mehl ber holber looking int