in fact, i think it s really shocking that speaker and others are challenging the credibility, not just of james comey but also of the special counsel mueller. i mean nobody on capitol hill has been questioning the integrity and the independence of the special counsel. i think it was, you know, appropriate. i mean, james comey heard the president say things that were untrue and there were mischaracterizations of their meetings. he put out in the public sphere not classified information. information that he had prepared, and it wasn t a leak, into the public sphere. i think it s appropriate for the special counsel to look into that, to investigate that. that s why the special counsel is in place. chris: karl? i thought it was interesting. you played the piece of tape of comey saying if this got out that the president said to me in the oval office i hope you can let this thing go, that it would have had a chilling effect on the fbi agents.
in fact, i think it s really shocking that speaker and others are challenging the credibility, not just of james comey but also of the special counsel mueller. i mean nobody on capitol hill has been questioning the integrity and the independence of the special counsel. i think it was, you know, appropriate. i mean, james comey heard the president say things that were untrue and there were mischaracterizations of their meetings. he put out in the public sphere not classified information. information that he had prepared, and it wasn t a leak, into the public sphere. i think it s appropriate for the special counsel to look into that, to investigate that. that s why the special counsel is in place. chris: karl? i thought it was interesting. you played the piece of tape of comey saying if this got out that the president said to me in the oval office i hope you can let this thing go, that it would have had a chilling effect on the fbi agents. because comey proceeded to
shocking that speaker and others are challenging the credibility, not just of james comey but also of the special counsel mueller. i mean nobody on capitol hill has been questioning the integrity and the independence of the special counsel. i think it was, you know, appropriate. i mean, james comey heard the president say things that were untrue and there were mischaracterizations of their meetings. he put out in the public sphere not classified information. information that he had prepared, and it wasn t a leak, into the public sphere. i think it s appropriate for the special counsel to look into that, to investigate that. that s why the special counsel is in place. chris: karl? i thought it was interesting. you played the piece of tape of comey saying if this got out that the president said to me in the oval office i hope you can let this thing go, that it would have had a chilling effect on the fbi agents. because comey proceeded to
is a very fine lawyer in my view did not adequately in three minutes rebut what james comey took three hours to convey to the country. that impression that he conveyed is still out there. shepard: then there s the matter of what some are calling the leak. and with us not a leak. for a number of reasons. when james comey gave his information to his friend at columbia law to pass along to the new york times so the word got out, that s not a leak. no, that is not a leak. it s not classified material. shepard: and he s not a government employee. he s not a government ploy year. the professor is not a government employee. it was an impression that i m holding up my iphone. it was on a loop top. shepard: so everybody is caught up in leaks now. to avoid the substance, one focuses on the leaks. in this case, you can t call it a leak because it wasn t a leak.
president trump is now in belgium for his first nato summit. i have a question for you, hans. today another transcript from another foreign leader called. this from philippine president duterte where donald trump said, reveal the location of nuclear submarines, something i m told the pentagon isn t too thrilled about. how stressed out is the white house staff about this more unstructured part of his first overseas trip? reporter: they haven t said anything directly about the duterte call. this is a transcript that came out from the filipino side. this wasn t a leak from what steve bannon would call the deep state but these are secrets, the location of submarines. you ll remember with the uss vinson. the carrier to the east china