is a very fine lawyer in my view did not adequately in three minutes rebut what james comey took three hours to convey to the country. that impression that he conveyed is still out there. >> shepard: then there's the matter of what some are calling the leak. and with us not a leak. for a number of reasons. when james comey gave his information to his friend at columbia law to pass along to "the new york times" so the word got out, that's not a leak. >> no, that is not a leak. it's not classified material. >> shepard: and he's not a government employee. >> he's not a government ploy year. the professor is not a government employee. it was an impression that -- i'm holding up my iphone. it was on a loop top. >> shepard: so everybody is caught up in leaks now. to avoid the substance, one focuses on the leaks. in this case, you can't call it a leak because it wasn't a leak.