there are cultural norms that make it difficult for men to speak with unrelated women so i had to spend a lot of time cultivating trust mostly with grandmothers where the norms are easier to work around and eventually i was very fortunate to be able to meet many women from all walks of life and shakira is an example of that. in her early 40s, she has lived her entire life in conflict. first due to the soviet invasion which killed hundreds of thousands if not maybe a million afghans. then the civil war that happened after. then the u.s. invasion which surprisingly from the point of view of shakira and many of her friends was no different than the soviet invasion. they didn t come from their point of view to bring rights or freedom. rather they just brought chaos and war lords and life became unbearable. on that note, we talk so much here in the west about women s rights and human rights in afghanistan. but the most important right is the right to life. and we the west the americans
the taliban don t know how to run a country. they don t have enough people to actually take control of the entire country and take control of their own people and why they have so many people out there killing people who have been associated with the united states or with our allies in the past. and i think because there is going to be so much repression and suppression of the people, they are going to appeal to the tribal leaders and war lords to help to remove this burden and it will lead to a civil war. the civil war, remember, in syria is what gave rise to isis because it was ungoverned space. that is the concern the military has had right from the outset here. if you pull these forces out, the government and the security forces could collapse, leads to civil war and a growth of terrorism in afghanistan similar to what we experienced before 9/11. that has been the fundamental concern from the beginning and now it is clearly the headline
you? yeah. well, certainly. listen, the taliban are they are not taliban 2.0 in my judgment. they are the taliban why know historic more rays are like impression on people. trying to include some other members in the society in the regime much lesser positions than the real powerful positions to demonstrate that they are more inclusive, they want international support, certainly financial and economic largely and the other thing they know full well that afghanistan economically is a basket case and it s heading towards a failed state and there will be huge pressure on the tribal leaders and war lords at some point to do something about it, which means take up arms in a civil war. the taliban have been down that road before they don t want to go there. that is the other reason why they are trying to bring some of
remarks about kabul and the americans and allies still stuck there behind. general jack keane 30 minutes ago saying they need to get out soon. afghanistan could be on the path to civil war. where is afghanistan today? they are in economic basket case shut off from funding and why they re trying to legitimize themselves and reach out to countries who can help them. the other thing is, it will likely lead to a civil war because the pressure on the people in afghanistan is going to be so acute, dana and bill, that their tribal leaders and war lords will likely have to respond. bill: david spunt picks up the reporting from the state department. a lot of confusion over the weekend. what s happening, let s try to sort it out. good morning. a lot of confusion. secretary of state antony blinken on the ground right now in doha, qatar meeting officials. there is a lot of confusion and allegations surrounding the state department that the state
them. the other thing is it will likely lead to a civil war because the pressure on the people in afghanistan is going to be so acute, dana and bill, that their tribal leaders and war lords will likely have to respond. remember, 9/11, that occurred during a civil war inside afghanistan. the northern alliance was fighting the taliban. al- baghdadi left iraq with several hundred fighters and moved into ungoverned space in syria during a civil war and built it into a 30,000 man army. the ungoverned space becomes a fertile ground for terrorists to occupy and grow. and that is the concern about what is in the future in afghanistan. so i totally agree that s the path we re on. as unfortunate as it is and in my judgment totally preventable. bill: general, thank you so much. see you later in the week as we get closer to 9/11.