oversight over police departments across the country. when attorney jeff sessions came into office there was little or no oversight. so i don t know if we bring it back toward that way under attorney general merrick garland, but there is some systemic problems in law enforcement. well, you call it a wakeup call. i think we ve had way too many wakeup calls. every six months we re getting a wakeup call, whether it s one of these reports or seeing another video of someone being killed on camera, there s been many wakeup calls. we re all awake and aware. it s time to act on it. charles mcclelland and i m sorry, we re tight on time. we ll have you back for sure. and councilwoman tammy hawkins, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. important conversation. well, house republicans are getting ready to launch multiple investigations into january 6th. one of their pmain points of focus how the democratic select committee is investigating the attack in the first place. more on that
this is weird. i mean, it s clear now these were sabotage terrorist attacks, whatever you want to call them. it s no the clear who did them. but i do think it s a wakeup call for all of europe that it s time to get off a russian fossil fuels. i work in the obama administration. during the transition, i wrote the memo for how to deal with russia in the fall of 2008. .3 was reduce our energy dependence of our allies and friends on russia that creates leverage. finally, europe is doing it. i applaud them. i think is one more tragic message why it is not in their security. i would say environmental and economic interest to be dependent on russia for oil and gas. this whole chapter has been a series of wakeup calls about how we should no longer be dependent on russian oil and gas. michael mcfall, former u.s. ambassador to russia. always great to see you. thank you for your time tonight. yeah. thank you for having me. up next, the question of who
mentioned in your intro, we keep getting wakeup calls and keep not waking up. and the problem is, this is a complex issue. 85% or 90% of the target space, jake, is in the private sector. so the federal government can do everything right and not that we are and there are a lot of things we re working on as you mentioned the commission we ve been working on for the last three years, we ve made a lot of recommendations, changed a lot of laws, got a national cyber director going into the place in the next two or three weeks, but it all depends on what happens in the private sector. if one person at one desktop in the operation center of a pipeline system bites on a phishing email or opens an attachment they shouldn t, then we re sunk. this is a it s a cliche to say all of government, but this
what are you most concerned about and has the u.s. responded offensively through retaliatory cyberattacks? well, you ve asked two or three questions there. i ll take the last one first. there has been some responses. both from nsa and from the biden administration in terms of things like sanctions. so there have been responses, but i think we need to step that up. one of the problems is over the past 15 or 20 years as we ve had these series of cyberattacks from north korea, russia, china, we really haven t responded. we ve been a cheap date and you can t defend yourself simply by bobbing, weaving and patching. the accedversary has to realize there will be a cost for attacking the united states or our critical infrastructure and thus far they haven t felt that. i think that s a piece of this that we have to do. the other piece as you mentioned in your intro, we keep getting wakeup calls and keep not waking
we ve been a cheap date, and you can t defend yourself simply by bobbing, weaving and patching. the adversary has to understand there will be a cost for attacking the united states or our critical infrastructure, and thus far they haven t felt that. i think that s a piece of this that we have to do. the other piece, as you mentioned in your intro, we keep getting wakeup calls and keep not waking up. and the problem is, this is a complex issue. 85% or 90% of the target space, jake, is in the private sector. so the federal government can do everything right and not that we are and there are a lot of things we re working on as you mentioned the commission we ve been working on for the last three years, we ve made a lot of recommendations, changed a lot of laws, got a national cyber director going into the place in the next two or three weeks, but it all depends on