indisputable. well, what brennan said was unknowable, he says look, we got information. what s unknowable is if we could have gotten the same information had we not used these techniques. right. that s an experiment. how long do you want to try that experiment? ksm wasn t talking. they used the techniques, suddenly he was talking. maybe he had a change of heart or maybe the techniques worked. how long are you going to wait to see if he actually is going to talk? director brennan s view of this report, andrea. he obviously doesn t like how it was done. thinks, as he said, over the top when it comes to transparency. does he disagree with the facts? yes. at this lengthy, you know, hour that we spent with him, and he disputes thej@kfact that information on bin laden was obtained by other sources, by other foreign intelligence agencies, before any of the torture which he would not call torture took place on abu zubaydah. other confirming sources
much less information about than the indivials the 119 captured. reporter: mike azenco has been following and criticizing the drone program for years. one of the reasons the cia became so active in drone strikes was out of concern that they would be prosecuted for torture. reporter: so they were worried about holding them and torturing them and decided, eh, it s better just to kill them instead? this is what the cia s response to the torture report makes very clear. reporter: in the past 12 years, the u.s. has launched hundreds of drone missions. about 50 under president bush, an estimated 400 under president obama. the use of drones is heavily constrained. america does not take strikes when we have the ability to capture individual terrorists. our preference is always to detain, interrogate and prosecute. reporter: polls show about 70% of americans support the drone program. why? why is it more acceptable and more popular to kill people than to hold them and torture th
and welcome back. more on the story that has dominated the news this week. the senate, what the democrats call the torture report. i m joined by senator ron wyden, democrat from oregon, member of the senate intelligence committee and somebody who frankly was pushing yourleader, senator dianne feinstein, to get this report done and be made public. senator wyden, welcome back to meet the press. thank you. first let me get your reaction to vice president cheney who obviously has not a lot of respect for this report. well, first of all, with respect to waterboarding and the vice president is obviously comfortable with it, i consider it to be torture. and just to correct the record when the japanese were prosecuted for using against our guys in world war ii, it was at the tokyo trials. i think it s important to set the record straight. well, let me ask you, though, he says this thing is partisan. that has been some of the
the report and the justice department inquiry went on at the same time. so we weren t able to interview the cia. so we thought that it was important to get materials that could be verified and documented. so we looked at the communications that cia officers were making in realtime about torture. now, during that period, everybody knew that we were having this inquiry, and certainly none of the people writing op-eds have come forward and said oh, we would have liked to be interviewed at that time, suffice it to say i ll speak for myself and my colleagues, we would be happy to have talked to them. do you think there should be criminal prosecutions? the justice department has been clear with respect to that that there are not going to be. i hope they ll review the new facts. but you want them to change their mind? i want them to review the new facts. but what i m especially troubled by is john brennan, on thursday, really opened the door to the possibility of torture being used
captured. reporter: mike azenco has been following and criticizing the drone program for years. one of the reasons the cia became so active in drone strikes was out of concern that they would be prosecuted for torture. reporter: so they were worried about holding them and torturing them and decided, eh, it s better just to kill them instead? this is what the cia s response to the torture report makes very clear. reporter: in the past 12 years, the u.s. has launched hundreds of drone missions. about 50 under president bush, an estimated 400 under president obama. the use of drones is heavily constrained. america does not take strikes when we have the ability to capture individual terrorists. our preference is always to detain, interrogate and prosecute. reporter: polls show about 70% of americans support the drone program. why? why is it more acceptable and more popular to kill people than to hold them and torture them? antiseptic drone strikes,