and that s why it s so important that our report come out. and what i intend to do with my colleagues right when we back is i intend to introduce legislation to make it clear, for example, that if torture is used in the future, there would be a basis to prosecute. director brennan fit to serve the cia? director brennan particularly on thursday said some important things and also left out some things that were important. for example, he indicated that he would no longer be using the terms with respect to torture that the information would be otherwise unavailable. that s a real vindication of the committee because we showed that we were able to find bin laden, find kfm without torture. so that was good. what i was troubled also about was that he undercut the panetta review. the panetta review really agreed with what the committee found. but i go back, director
brennan, you re comfortable with him running the cia? not at this point. you think the president should fire him? i want to give him the chance to end this culture of denial, to deal with the misrepresentations, if he doesn t do that, we re going to have to get somebody who will. is there photographs in your report that you guys redacted? i m not going to get into what was redacted. i lost some battles with respect to redactions, but i think the report does tell an important story, tells it accurately, and it is a particularly timely report now, given the fact that john brennan really opened the door to the possibility of torture. again, when he was asked, in effect, what he thought, he said that s for future time. is there more of this report that you think should be release? i would like to see the entire report declassified. senator wyden, thank you. thank you. let s get reaction from the panel.
andrea mitchell. and now it is meet the press with chuck todd. and now, no government shutdown this year and perhaps next year as well. now to the big story, the senate report on torture and some called it enhanced e report on technique. some call it the detail and the shocking indictment on the methods used on techniques used on detainees and no more defender of the tactics used former vice president dick chen cheney. thank you for coming back. good to be back. and let me start with a quote, you said that torture is something to be avoided and it implies that you have a definition of what torture is. well, torture to me, chuck,
antiseptic drone strikes, which is the video image you see from the pentagon, torture is something we feel directly and personally and we think is morally wrong. reporter: but there is nothing antiseptic about a missile that hits a village. so as officials do the rounds to admonish the previous administration for condoning the secret torture program, they will do well to keep in mind that old saying about glass houses and stones. richard engel is in studio with me now. richard, first of, it s good to have you stateside. good to be here. december visit here. what s creating more terrorists? the bush interrogation program or obama s drone program? creating more terrorists? yeah. it s very hard to know. people are radicalized there s worry that both do that. that both can radicalize people. there s ahole history of why people are being radicalized. it goes back to u.s. support for israel, what s considered to be
with what the committee found. but i go back, director brennan, you re comfortable with him running the cia? not at this point. you think the president should fire him? i want to give him the chance to end this culture of denial, to deal with the misrepresentations, if he doesn t do that, we re going to have to get somebody who will. is there photographs in your report that you guys redacted? i m not going to get into what was redacted. i lost some battles with respect to redactions, but i think the report does tell an important story, tells it accurately, and it is a particularly timely report now, given the fact that john brennan really opened the door to the possibility of torture. again, when he was asked, in effect, what he thought, he said that s for future time. is there more of this report that you think should be release? i would like to see the entire report declassified. senator wyden, thank you. thank you.