joining us right now is arizona sheriff in arizona, paul babu. sheriff, first off, they pass a mexican background check and that s supposed to be good enough for us? no, it s not. i n it s not good enough for me. at a time that we should be heightening our vigilance, we re opening the door and saying come on in. we know for a fact that the cartels who have nearly toppled the mexican government intentionally keep their people clean in terms of their criminal records or recruit people that are clean, hire them on the payroll and try to have them work for their customs and agents and at the very least, they ll be allowed to filter through undetected. so why are we in the united states and secretary napolitano lowering our expectations and our vigilance when we know 30 plus thousand people have been killed down there in their drug wars and we see the violence spilling over into the united states? what do you say when people
wake up and there are already ten or 15 people dead. as the day goes on there are another ten. sometimes 25 people killed by the end of the day. you realize how ugly this city is. reporter: ugly enough to make people flee. 5,000 houses abandoned in the last five months in juarez. families leave everything behind and run. it is an eerie feeling to walk around some of the abandoned neighborhoods and businesses, places where people are so scared they just picked up what they could carry and ran north. that is another concern too not only about violence spilling over the border to the u.s. side but also people too fleeing for safe-haven. megyn: that is just stunning, the pictures that you witnessed firsthand, steve. thank you, steve harrigan. well to give you some perspective, some more perspective of just how bad it is where steve was reporting. cuidad juarez has a population of 1.3 million. new york city 8.3 million.
activity and the president has the sole constitution power to make war and conduct war. so it s a strong argument. martha: it seems to me that legally it would come down to the authorization in which you pointed out, after 9/11, to use of force for the country to use force against al-qaeda and clearly, this man has designated americans as, you know, people he wants dead. is there any shock at the ac chance that the aclu will get anywhere with this? very unlikely, there s also the state s secrets argument, defend thank the using this lawsuit would say that this has documents that should not be released but it s unlikely this lawsuit is going to go far. martha: interesting stuff. thank you very much. thank you martha. bill: they re at it again a. mexican border town explodeing in a war zone, a notorious drug lord gunned down and new concerns of retaliation on behalf of the cartels and concerns about more violence spilling over
now over 2,500 this year collectively since 2008 there have been over 6,800 murders. greta: to what examine is this to what extent is this violence spilling over into the united states? americans do have greater concern i assume for their own country. is it spilling into america besides americans getting murdered in mexico? that s a tricky question to answer. there have been gun battles near the border that border patrol has monitored. there s a couple bullets that struck city hall over the summer. and a bullet struck the university across the border from juarez. there have been small signs luckily no one has been injured. spill-over violence is such a strong term. these days it is tied into political arguments as to whether we should send mover
now over 2,500 this year collectively since 2008 there have been over 6,800 murders. greta: to what examine is this to what extent is this violence spilling over into the united states? americans do have greater concern i assume for their own country. is it spilling into america besides americans getting murdered in mexico? that s a tricky question to answer. there have been gun battles near the border that border patrol has monitored. there s a couple bullets that struck city hall over the summer. and a bullet struck the university across the border from juarez. there have been small signs luckily no one has been injured. spill-over violence is such a strong term. these days it is tied into political arguments as to whether we should send mover