to influence senators and house members. yes. i mean, again, you know, we look at this and let s put this in the context of president biden s speech today. i thought it was the strongest speech that biden has ever given. i ll say to you, costa and i talked earlier today, and somebody who helped biden write that speech or wrote it read our book. and one of the key elements, and it s hard to pick out and say, oh, this is the key or there are only five key elements because it s a coherent portrait of in my view a crime on the constitution to look at the system we have and the certification process which the president of the senate, that is
comcast business. powering possibilities. all right. thank you for being with us tonight. anniversaries like this one are always tough. it was good to have you here. we ll see you again tomorrow night. now it s time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. there s breaking news from liz cheney who said that the committee is looking at the possibility that donald trump s conduct was criminal on january 6th. she said they re not sure whether it constitutes a crime or simply dereliction of duty, which is not criminal but they
the possibility that this committee will make a public finding and referral to the justice department on the belief that he committed a crime? well, first representative cheney should consider that a badge of honor. i think that i don t want to overstate this because we ve seen donald get away with so much, but even he at this point must be feeling the walls close in. if he has any sense, he would feel that way. the january 6th committee is doing an extraordinary job of putting the pieces together, of putting a case together and there s no doubt in my mind if they are discussing making such a referral, they have everything nailed down. so, your uncle issued three written statements today. he s banned from twitter.
robert costa, donald trump was asking mike pence nothing less than to commit a televised federal crime for donald trump and for mike pence s own benefit to retain the vice presidency. and mike pence, of course, refused to do that. in washington, apparently that can be portrayed as heroism, refusing to commit a federal crime on tv? i m not here to declare heroes or villains, but what we see at the end of the day in this story is donald trump was trying to use mike pence to weaponize a lie, a lie about the election. and this took pence to the brink on january 5th in the oval office. and when trump didn t get what he wanted there, he called up bannon and giuliani and said let s issue a statement and say pence agrees with us, even though he didn t.
constitutes that kind of a crime. but certainly it s dereliction of duty. joining us now is mary trump, the niece of donald trump. she is the author of the reckoning:our nation s trauma and finding a way to heal her new podcast is the mary trump show. thank you very much for joining us on this important night. and on days like this, i for one wonder about the fragile mind of your uncle. and i think you just heard bob woodward possibly talk about a source telling him high trump administration source telling him that whatever was left of donald trump s ability to control himself, whatever particle was left of that, disappeared on election day. i think that s probably true. as you know, and as we discussed