robert costa, donald trump was asking mike pence nothing less than to commit a televised federal crime for donald trump and for mike pence's own benefit to retain the vice presidency. and mike pence, of course, refused to do that. in washington, apparently that can be portrayed as heroism, refusing to commit a federal crime on tv? >> i'm not here to declare heroes or villains, but what we see at the end of the day in this story is donald trump was trying to use mike pence to weaponize a lie, a lie about the election. and this took pence to the brink on january 5th in the oval office. and when trump didn't get what he wanted there, he called up bannon and giuliani and said let's issue a statement and say pence agrees with us, even though he didn't.