the indictment that was furnished today as part of the arraignment and the list goes on. i m curious what you think about what jack smith and his team that you know so well have to do here both to pull on those threads, to navigate that, and also to defend the evidence which nicolle and i were discussing, evidence that in part relies on exceptions precisely because of their theory of the case, that trump knowingly and repeatedly tried to get lawyers to not only cover up his crimes but commit but ones. with respect to cipa, there will at least need to be one attorney for each defendant that obtains a security clearance, likely it will be an interim security clearance but obtains access to the classified information and more likely than not you will see that each defendant has more than one attorney. that process which would normally take you and me an extensive period of time to obtain, that will be expedited. and so just to be clear, well beyond cipa, how does jack smith show
president trump has done? there s a procedure for doing this called cipa. to try to show redacted versions of this stuff is going to be a challenge. former secretary of the department of homeland security jeh johnson, thank you so much. thank you. there may be several problems with an upcoming example. then a look at the real world impact of classified material possibly landing in the wrong hands. stay with us.
who we know was making these tapes, right? of course i just want to point out according to the doj they re not naming him by name, but they say, quote, trump attempted to persuade trump attorney 1 to hide documents from a federal grand jury. then the conspiracy, trump and nauta mislead trump attorney 1 by moving boxes that contained the classification markings so that trump attorney 1 wouldn t find the documents and produce them to a federal grand jury. i d love, andrew for you to walk us through that. that brings us back to here. again, that s the allegation and they were hiding, they were saying the stuff, the drugs, the contraband in this room, we re going to hide it first from our own lawyers and then from the feds. that s pretty bad. so obstruction is kind of a big thing obviously here. and you just really have gone through it well. i want to get back to cipa at risk of being confusing with all the legal jargon. if you can t show a jury the
intelligence collection methods, andrew. and in count 3, one of the things that s noted is it includes handwritten annotation in black marker. who uses a black marker? yes, exactly. so this is what we re all sitting hear today, i hate to say this but we re all going to become experts in cipa, which is the classified information protection act. we had a long conversation about it yesterday on my show. exactly. this is exactly what it deals with is how to get this information because you do have to have public information that goes to a jury and the public has to see it, defendant has a right to see it and defense counsel, but it s a way of dealing with that without revealing things that are highly sensitive. two points on that. on page 27 on this very point, you have the most direct table, and although viewers won t be able to read the words, you basically have a two-line table
justice department official who explained to me that before this indictment comes out when you are dealing with highly sensitive classified material, doj, the special counsel, goes to the cia, dod, all of these, what can we have in the court case? what is too sensitive? so it is likely that there are many other documents beyond this 31, but everyone had to come to an agreement that, okay, we can live with these 31. but andy mccabe, the 31 documents aren t shown to the grand jury, right? they are not reading the nuclear secrets to see, oh, this is really sensitive? some version of that will actually take place for each of the documents that s cited in counts 1 through 31. redacted or no? so they will use the classified information protection act or cipa to come up with a series of redactions or substitutions that are agreeable to both sides and can