the city s rats. we had rats the size of crocs rubbing up and down the shoe, like a shoe. an average size 8. i love it. that interview taking place during the big apple s rat day of act. they re helping people reduce their ever-growing rat population. john: when i first heard that i thought she meant crocodiles. those have been found in the sewer system as well. she was talking about the shoe. yeah, an average size 8. i know what that looks like. i lived in new york. i know the rats. john: you get used to them. you re in the subway waiting for the train to come, there s a rat wandering along the track. you think yeah, i m in new york. there s rats in new york. so it s their city.