communications director for the national republican congressional committee, matt gorman. tiffany, buttigieg has seen a number of good bumps over the course of the primary. bumps that frankly candidates like cory booker and kamala harris kind of wish they d been getting themselves. but he does have this huge deficit among african-american voters. can he overcome it? yeah, i think he can and i think it s interesting how we frame the conversation. i think the media still, you know, kind of uplifts buttigieg s campaign repeatedly even though the black vote s constituency path leads to the white house. it s odd we kind of dismiss kamala harris campaign because she has a ground swelling among some voters. not dismissing it, just not doing very well. not you personally but a lot of articles in print and broadcast all but dismissed her campaign. it s an interesting but i m curious, how do you think he can overcome it?
i think pete has done some things. he came out with the douglas plan. he had some flubs with that picture from kenya which i think is is a bit of a nothing because you know how stock photos go in media. and i think we know that joe biden is leading but he was just the vice president for a very popular president. there s a lot of name recognition there that plays into it. we all consume the minutia of this stuff. most people are not watching these debates from beginning to end. most people don t know how to say pete buttigieg s last name. we re a long way away from the first round of votes and needs to give people an opportunity to know him like the other candidates do. speaking of last debate, no one really took buttigieg on and tulsi gabbard tried and he absolutely roasted her. do you think the other candidates are afraid to take on buttigieg or do you think that s sort of a sign they re not all that worried about him? they should be now. he was the only one on that stage who pr