tripping into a charge of lying to the fbi. the superseding indictment describes walt nauta as every bit as guilty as richard nixon s criminal white house chief of staff who went to prison for his crimes committed in that republican white house for that republican president. walt nauta is described in his indictment as an eager, pro active, on the ground manager of the conspiracy, who lied to people about why he was not joining donald trump on a trip so that he could secretly fly from new jersey to florida for his most important mission in the conspiracy, deleting the security silver valence video recorded at mar-a-lago that shows walt nod oh and carlos de oliveira moving trump boxes to hide them from the fbi. if walt nauta had succeeded in executing donald trump s order
discussion with these codefendants for them to avoid prison time. if they don t think, and if their lawyers don t think they are facing the threat of prison time, there s not much pressure on them to cooperate. absolutely. i would add into that that although it s a risk, they could be thinking that if donald trump were to win the presidency or a republican who is aligned with donald trump, that this case will be over. in other words that there were not before the prosecution. those are all things that we faced when i was dealing with the mueller team, where you have the sitting president dangling pardons. so those are all concerns to something that tim said. one of the things that happened with this superseding indictment is, i think people s perception of walt nauta is
employee assuring walt nauta that, don t worry, de oliveira would not do anything to affect his relationship with trump. and that is a huge difference between these people and trump employee 4, that just shaking fear that they all have of making sure they never do anything that might hurt their relationship with donald trump. that s what has mr. de oliveira is a criminal codefendant with donald trump tonight, and tim, this is the kind of power through the federal prosecutor has with subpoena power, investigative capacities that you with the january six committee did not have and we re hoping that this justice department would use in this direction. yes, exactly right. the difference between de oliveira and trump employees 4 and 5, it strikes me that trump employees 4 5 have cooperated and have testified.
criminal conversation, as described in the indictment today. the supervisor of security for trump s business organization is matthew calamari, who has testified to jack smith s grand jury. minutes after that conversation, de oliveira texted nauta, still in florida, hey buddy, are you working today? de oliveira then called nauta it in 15 pm they spoke for about one minute. the security camera video which trump employee 4 refused to delete, shows de oliveira walked through the bushes on the northern edge of the mar-a-lago club property to meet with nauta on the adjacent property, then walked back to
must be to the client not to the payer. so the lawyers representing walt nauta, even though they re being paid by the state of america back, they are duty bound to do what is within walt nauta s best interest. there s extra pressure on them judging by who they re who s paying them, to be clear, they would have to advise nauta as to what is in his best interests regardless of who is paying their fee. but it s another pressure on nauta, to be concerned about that he is beholden even more to donald trump because of the payment of legal fees. andrew weissmann and timothy heaphy, thank you very much for starting our conversation. please stay with us, because we have much more to get to. when we come back, donald trump s lawyers met in washington today in anticipation and on trump being indicted by jack smith s watching to granary. investigating events leading up to and on january six. that s next. y six. that s next.