no. heather: that is the thing, alan. we ll talk a little more later in the hour about those numbers because they are real being called into question. who is calling them into question? heather: talk about the number of people that have signed up but the white house can t tell you number of people who actually paid so far. and that is what really counts. then the number of people who were in fact uninsured before and that was the whole goal, that they will give insurance to people who were uninsured before, not those who lost insurance. people who sign up will obviously have to pay once they sign up. no, they don t have to pay. the fact thaw signed up doesn t close the deal. it is when you get money. won t have health insurance. these people want to get health insurance of course they will pay. heather: if they don t pay we ll see if the numbers change. right. heather: thank you both for joining us. good debate. bill: so he was a controversial pick for a top white house posit