programs already in hopes that more people would be going back to work. data shows that that was not the case. the president has said that september was always going to be an appropriate time for these benefits to end. he meant for the unemployment insurance to be a bridge to get people to the other side of the pandemic but, of course, the reality is we are still very much in a pandemic. the president acknowledged as much on friday in a speech about the august jobs reports. listen to what he had to say. there s no question the delta variant is why today s job report isn t stronger. i know people were looking and i was hoping for a higher number. even some of the benefits that were provided are set to expire next week. states have the option to extend those benefits. reporter: the president saying there that states can use some of the money from the american rescue plan to set up their own enhanced unemployment
states have the option to extend those benefits. the president saying over their states can use some of that american rescue plan money, remember, that big covid package that was passed earlier this year? they can take some of that to start their own expanded unemployment programs. but guys, so far we have not seen any state come out and say they plan to do that. the president is in a bit of a bind over here. he wants to project a sense of normalcy, encourage people to get back out there and return to some economic regularity. at the same time, he does not want to leave behind some vulnerable people, perhaps, people who are not ready to go back to work yet for health reasons, cannot find childcare. maybe they simply can t find a job in their industry. but lindsey and kendis, those two interests appear to be competing right now. our next guest will dive into that myth that there are tons of jobs out there, and people just don t want to work. lauren egan, thank you so much. let s b
have been stolen. among the ripest targets for the cyber theft have been jobless programs. the federal government cannot say for sure how much of the more than $900 billion pandemic-related unemployment relief has been stolen, but credible estimates range from $87 million to $400 billion, at least half of which went to foreign criminals. joining me is one of the correspondents of that piece, ken dilanian. good to see you this afternoon. i got to say, this is astounding stuff. i guess, you know, i can t imagine how this actually even happened. how were they actually able, these foreign hackers, to trick the system? reporter: great to see you, yasmin. thank you for highlighting this issue. look, it starts with the fact that the personal information of millions of americans is available for sale on the dark web. criminals buy this stuff in bulk, and, look, unemployment programs have always been ripe
for fraud, in part because the states use really old computer systems and they ve been warned for years about vulnerability. there s generally about a 10% fraud rate. during the pandemic that exploded for a couple of reasons. states were making it actually easier to apply for the benefits. understandably, right? there were a lot of jobless people who needed benefits and most of the applications were happening online. then they had a new program for gig workers like uber drivers or self-employed people where they didn t even have the check of employer verification. so criminals seized on this. they used stolen identities en masse to prey on unemployment programs. they filed thousands and thousands of fake identities and sucked the money out. and there were some programs where the states would give would allow you to apply retroactively. for these criminals one identity was up to $20,000 on a debit card and it was quickly sent out of the country. the reason i m covering the story as a
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