states have the option to extend those benefits. >> the president saying over their states can use some of that american rescue plan money, remember, that big covid package that was passed earlier this year? they can take some of that to start their own expanded unemployment programs. but guys, so far we have not seen any state come out and say they plan to do that. the president is in a bit of a bind over here. he wants to project a sense of normalcy, encourage people to get back out there and return to some economic regularity. at the same time, he does not want to leave behind some vulnerable people, perhaps, people who are not ready to go back to work yet for health reasons, cannot find childcare. maybe they simply can't find a job in their industry. but lindsey and kendis, those two interests appear to be competing right now. >> our next guest will dive into that myth that there are tons of jobs out there, and people just don't want to work. lauren egan, thank you so much. >> let's bring in that guest right now, new york times