this was just a show, right? this was just like let s do this for the press and show everybody we are still around and that s what i took away from this. yeah. and you re exactly right. but it really mattered. because just as, you know, you dominate the ratings here on cable tv news, in afghanistan, in pakistan, the taliban dominate the ratings. although i m not directly comparing the factor and the taliban just to be clear. [ laughter ] but, seriously, this was about ratings. about making global headlines. bill: yeah. p.r. creating impressionist strength. they won. it matters here. it matters in europe. bill: you just can t stop that no matter how good your security is, no matter how good your military is. if these guys spend all winter saying look we are going to go on a saturday and blow things up in kabul and a few other places, nobody can stop that. well, you know, right to an extent. if the afghans had an effective intelligence service, if they weren t bill: yeah, m
evidence this happened. that s not good. bill: fast and furious. i looked at ms. pavlick s book, i haven t finished the whole thing, it doesn t seem to be a smoking gun. what she says might be absolutely true. i mean, but i can t prove it. you know, and i do see the memos and i don t think holder is telling the truth. but, again, i can t prove he is not telling the truth. it never inspires confidence when you have the kind of stonewalling that appears to have gone on in terms of the bill: it s not getting any traction. it s not like watergate. i agree with that you are right. it s not al all clear to me that this scandal is going to have any legs for the election. but we now have three administrative scandals. one in the justice department. the one we are talking about. one in the secret service now apparently. and one at the general services administration. there may be a critical mass that gets reached here where people draw conclusions about how well the obama team admin
goldberg.com. bernard goldberg. i hate at a time to come on the factor so you can add me to that list. look, here is the thing, bill, the honest short answer is i don t have a clue as to what she is talking about. howie cirts raised a legitimate point when he talked about people who are both commentators on shows like this and political activists at the same time, working for a party or candidate. but, i mean, if she was implying and i have got to be honest i don t know what she was saying. if she was implying that you are in the tank of the only tank that i can figure out that you are in is in the bill o reilly tank. you love bill o reilly. bill: that s the shark tank. bill o reilly. benefit of the doubt. you never throw bill o reilly under the bus. bill: question was clear as you defined it hire guys like carville and karl rove you are hiring the party guys. that s what they do, all right? and then when they come, in they are looking at it through the prism of the party. all
the senate, why aren t they bringing him up against charges? why aren t they doing that? well, i think it s time. chairman issa has done a very good job of doing the best he can with the justice department. they have stonewalled and they have been acting guilty since day one. they haven t been providing any documents as people know. in the book we document and show all the connections between eric holder, barack obama, and going back into the clinton era and what their political agenda behind this whole thing was. bill: political agenda, again, being stopping guns from going into mexico because the mexican government. political agenda behind this entire thing was to blame american gun shops for cartel violence in america to put regulations on these gun shops. bill: gets more complicated. into the conspiracy things now not just the hardware thing about it it this was a designed thing to blame gun shops and try to get second amendment rights curtailed. it s not a conspiracy. it
three cases now and it might begin to resonate with people that there is something not being the place isn t being run properly broadly speaking. bill: peters said that there is this kind of lax attitude and that, again, may or may not be true, i don t know that to be true. but, the fast and furious thing is fascinating because you have got an american dead. you have got the border patrol agent dead. that s big. and there is no doubt they botched it. and now ms. pavlick is saying not only did they botch it but ill conceived thing in the beginning to impact on second amendment rights. i mean, that s a pretty strong charge. it is. but i heard your interview with her. and i m not sure that she established the case. maybe she does in her book. i m not sure she established the case in her interview with you. bill: you don t think this is going to impact in november? i don t know, bill. you never know where these things are going to go. you don t know what s finally going to come o