sentence, his bail being revoked. she s going to punish him for the crimes he s guilty of. she s going to base that on relevant conduct, and there s a lot of other relevant conduct to consider, and i think you might even hear the ten years come out initially, but then she s going to mitigate that some, that s my speculation, and i think he s going to end up looking at additional time, maybe three or four more years than he s got. that s my guess. shan was closer than anybody when it came to predicting judge ellis s sentence before, so i would listen very carefully here, like the showcase show down for paul manafort. david gregory, shan wu, thank you. it s a 9:30 court appearance. stay with cnn because this will unfold throughout the morning. meanwhile, joe biden and beto o rourke are sending the strongest signals yet about 2020. what are they waiting for? we discuss next. biopharmaceutical researchers.
saying this is not about collusion. we heard directly from the judge any collusion was not presented in this case, therefore it was not resolved by this case. right. even though ts ellis gave a sentence that was surprising to everybody and much more lenient than people thought, he said similar things before he gave that sentence last week in this federal courthouse in virginia. it s unclear if what we re going to see with the sentence will track with that. but i think what you re getting at, kate, is that it doesn t necessarily matter what the judge says, because what the lawyers for paul manafort are likely to say and what they said last week is what the president wants to hear, which is this has nothing to do with collusion, this has nothing to do with if witch hunt that s been going on, poor paul manafort, oh maybe i ll issue a pardon.
undercut our country. she is taking it right to him right now. she is. we have to be careful here because it s easy to hear this and think she is really going to throw the book at him. but you ll remember last week judge ellis brought up the fact that pickpocketers in england centuries ago were hung. and then he gave him four years which was much less than the sentencing guidelines. we really have to wait and see what she is going to do but clearly she s really laying into paul manafort for his actions. reporter: if people don t have the facts, democracy doesn t work. strong words. that speaks to the broader environment, the broader climate, the fact that she is overseeing more than just the paul manafort case when it comes to the special counsel s investigation.
now is because he was the trump campaign chairman. but then of course mueller s prosecutors argue it shows how brazen he was to have been committing these crimes and then take on this role that would put him in the spotlight as the trump campaign chairman. we will see today how the judge looks at all of this. we now he judge ellis looked at this. he said the only reason you re going against paul manafort is to get him to cooperate against trump and other people. there has been that feeling that one of the reasons they brought charges was to put pressure on paul manafort. his business partner and the cochairman of the campaign rick gates pleaded guilty and has had a cooperation agreement. it s no secret that the special counsel s office wanted paul manafort to cooperate from the beginning. this really is the last shot for the special counsel s office
a lot of people watch to see is she going to come down hard on him. it bears repeating that cooperators are performing. they re performing to offer a story that prosecutors want, and they re being evaluated by prosecutors who will ultimately make an argument to the sentencing judge about their value and then the judge and the problem here with manafort as a cooperator is that he lied to the prosecution, which isn t a death nail but certainly is not helping. bad cooperator. i know you said she s not going to be an avenging angel for what happened with judge ellis s sentence but will she be can she punish him for her previous run-ins that she had had with manafort, and that he has been a bad cooperator. knowing judge jackson, she won t view that as any kind of punishment for what he has done in terms of the breaching his plea agreement or having his