a lot of people watch to see is she going to come down hard on him. it bears repeating that cooperators are performing. they're performing to offer a story that prosecutors want, and they're being evaluated by prosecutors who will ultimately make an argument to the sentencing judge about their value and then the judge -- and the problem here with manafort as a cooperator is that he lied to the prosecution, which isn't a death nail but certainly is not helping. >> bad cooperator. i know you said she's not going to be an avenging angel for what happened with judge ellis's sentence but will she be -- can she punish him for her previous run-ins that she had had with manafort, and that he has been a bad cooperator. >> knowing judge jackson, she won't view that as any kind of punishment for what he has done in terms of the breaching his plea agreement or having his