throw out constitutional crisis a lot but i do have to say for republicans who do not fight this and do not challenge this, this is the moment. in other words, if president trump pardens his team and in particular his family members, what that will say is we are not in the fighting for our democracy. that they can play with our elections. they can pay off possibly candidates. this is not about donald trump anymore. this is about the sustainability of our democracy in the future. and i mean that as honestly as i can say it at this stage. if he uses the pardon power, we are at that moment. can the president pardon his aids or family members and second question, can he do it, right? yes, he can and it doesn t matter they haven t yet been charged with anything. famously gerald ford pardoned
saying they believe the intelligence communities and not trump. i ve never seen anything like it. out of all three of them spoke today publicly and that seems to me, from a perspective of a team that seems not concerned bute drinking the cool aid knm. i think you re seeing hints of it as well with the cabinet. it seems to be getting closer and closer to the things the president wanted to protect the most. the taxes, the family business and his family members. is this why he s working so hard to shut this thing down? exactly. i think that s what it is. he sn raged by this investigation. that it exists at all. remember the reason he s so mad at jeff sessions is he recused himself. which set in motion the process which wound up with the appointment of mueller and now that mueller s really starting
end. and i think it makes it extremely difficult for people to believe there s no there there when they are undermining the investigation on the front and back end. you mentioned what is congress going to do? how will the courts react? i think the bigger picture is how is the court of public opinion going to act? not responding very well. the outside legal team spokesman resigns. there s a story there. we don t know it yet but there s a story there. the president was disturbed after learning that mueller would be able to access several years of tax returns. does that tell you anything? basically this has been the story for the last two months in terms of mueller s hiring and where the investigation is going. that those tax returns do not simply show that donald trump is not as rich as he says he is, which is possible, but that may show legitimate, in other words
richard nixon. has any president tried to pardon himself? none has ever tried to do it and constitutional lawyers have debated whether that would be possible. the constitution is very clear that he can t pardon himself out of an impeachment investigation. impeachment is outside the pardon power but in terms of could he pardon himself or a criminal investigation, that s something that lawyers are still debating. the real question though is how congress would react to something like that because as julia suggested, this would be unprecedented in american history for stalling an investigation of your own administration simply by pardoning everyone, including presumably your own relatives. it would be quite a shock. stand by everyone. you have breaking news about a
forgive potential collusion or financial misdealings of his family members. good luck with that, right? but hurricane katrina is still right in front of us. and you got to deal with the hurricane. i think he likes scaramucci i m with jeffrey. i don t think people really cares. you re doing a heck of a job. i want to move on. the post article april s reporting several senior aids were stunned when sessions didn t resign today. why would the president want to get rid of him? is there a strategy there? if the president were to fire sessions or say i want you to resign, it would make him once again look like he s impeding the process and the process has to play out because he continued to mess with it, tamper with it.