not saying it ll work here but listed leaves have that option on the table. joe, what do you make of charlie s argument and the case for no labels? there s been a lot of suspicion about money and the politics. that is kind of inside washington stuff. but your guy with your finger on the pulse across the country, how does this setup do you think in light of what you see out there? michael, this is a complicated i agree with my friend charlie in this regard. this is a different time. come on now, donald trump try to end our democracy, donald trump and trumpism is the greatest single threat to our democracy. they must be defeated. anything, michael, that takes away from defeating trump in trumpism in 2024 is wrong. no labels is wrong, a third party is wrong.
republicans, they re fine with. so charlie, is that part of making your case there? yes, it is actually. i think some republican other than donald trump has a much better chance of beating joe biden. i wouldn t bank on it either. i don t think, we have to also be trump-ism. i think running as trump is not necessarily going to be the ticket for the republican party. also, i do think the abortion issue is also one that is a major liability for the republican party, we are going after moderate on that issue. i think paul is right, a non-trump republicans would have a much better chance of winning, but by no means is that a guarantee. joe, here s the problem as i see it, joe. i hear if we nominate somebody other than trump, if there is no indication, don trump is sitting at 52, 52% approval, desire among republicans. the next closest republican
s.o.b. out there. not a guy like paul ryan, not a guy like tim scott. it s gonna be a jerk and a bully and and authoritarian because that is what the base was. and i know it sucks because i want my party back. but we don t live in that time right now. this is the party of trumpism, they are a threat to democracy, they need to be defeated. the only way you defeat them is through the democratic party right now. charlie, to that point, how do we get to a point where the party nominee somebody other than trump with a base who wants somebody who will be the retribution, who will be the person who is going to be on the industry fighting, throwing punches below the belt? does the sort of kumbaya morning in america coderre to filibuster
be let off because the country can t stand it. what i would say, is what the country cannot stand, is presidents committing terrible crimes. and getting off scot-free, and encouraging later presidents to do the same thing. let s talk about joe biden for a second. it strikes me, that as we are sitting here talking about a republican field that is being dominated by trump-ism, by conversations about pardons for donald trump. you have president joe biden out on the stump today, with union members, touting his economic accomplishments. i ve gotta tell you, the split screen, i know we ve got a lot of split screens. but this one really reminded me of what a unique moment in history we find ourselves in. when the democratic front runner is focusing on the substantive accomplishments of his first term, and the republican front runner is under indictment. and somehow has enough power to get all the other candidates talking about whether or not they re going to pardon him. right, it s like t
presidents live in a stratosphere that other americans don t. that if you commit a crime, and if after you leave office, as nixon was in danger of doing, you were indicted. and you are in danger of going to prison. the nixon president shows that you will probably be given a pardon by someone, or you will be left off because the country can t stand it. what i would say, is what the country cannot stand, is presidents committing terrible crimes. and getting off scot-free, and encouraging later presidents to do the same thing. let s talk about joe biden for a second. it strikes me, that as we are sitting here talking about a republican field that is being dominated by trump-ism, by conversations about pardons for donald trump. you have president joe biden out on the stump today, with union members, touting his economic accomplishments. i ve gotta tell you, the split screen, i know we ve got a lot of split screens. but this one really reminded me