furth frankfurt, germany. perhaps knowingly fleeing the country, perhaps not. they re watching the minutes tick down. according to one eyewitness in the new york times they re drinking and eating the free food and in the first-class lounge, when the first-class passengers are invited to board the plane before everyone else, they make their way toward the plane when suddenly two plain-clothes officers suddenly stopped them, one of them says we need to see your passports. if the fbi had decided to arrest them a little earlier that day at lunch in washington at the trump hotel, rudy giuliani would have been sitting right beside them. as alleged in the indictment, the defendants broke the law to gain political influence while avoiding disclosure of who was actually making the donations and where the money was coming from. they saw political influence not only to advance their own financial interests but to advance the political interests of at least one foreign offic l
paul rosenzweig who was one of the prosecutors that led to the impeachment of president clinton believes the evidence is clear in the ukraine phone call. he told the washington post it strikes me that no reasonable attorney can doubt that there was a quid pro quo here. i would vote for impeachment and i would vote for conviction and removal in the senate as well. joining us is paul rosenzweig. he cosigned a statement along with george conway and 14 other conservative lawyers with washington experience who are all urging the house of representatives to expedite the impeachment of president trump. paul, thank you very much for joining us again tonight. you were last with us in may when you found the mueller report to be sufficient evidence to go forward with an impeachment proceeding in the house of representatives. you now find the ukraine phone call to be, what, even stronger evidence? or just additional evidence? well, if the mueller report
republican senators are so far afraid to say. do you think it is appropriate for the president of the united states to solicit foreign interference in our political process? thank you. of course, no. no, it s absolutely not. and, of course, what has to happen here is, you know, play seeing our democracy play out. right? our the separation of powers play out. and for the american people, through the representatives and the representatives in congress to make a judgment as to whether or not that happened. to answer your question directly, of course, it s not appropriate. joining our discussion now is norm orrstein, congressional historian and resident scholar at the american enterprise institute and all-round washington wiseman who has been advising policymakers in washington for decades. and rick wilson is with us, a republican strategist and contribute tore the daily beast. he is the author of everything
and, evan mcmullin, i referred in my opening that the movie writes itself, but in some ways it s a bad movie. meaning the scene right before the airport is these two guys having lunch with rudy giuliani, which is an okay scene, but it s at the trump hotel in washington, which is just too on the nose. that s the bad movie version of that scene. they would have that lunch in some other location and some they d make a more discreet choice in the good movie. it feels like we re watching the bad movie of this stuff. yeah. well, i think what we re seeing here, lawrence, is just the brazenness of the administration and its and its supporters, its allies, to break the law in pursuit of illegal election help and other corrupt activities. i mean, the idea that they would sort of be involved in these kinds of activities and sort of
of filing an important case like this, in any event, but prosecutors and agents have begun to show concern to their supervisors. if they were told the case couldn t move forward. and i think ultimately you would see protests at every level in a u.s. attorney s office with everyone from line prosecutors and line agents on all the way up to the u.s. attorney who as chuck points out is the only politic appointee in every u.s. attorney s office, you would see those resignations in protest. if they were told they couldn t move forward with a case that they had appropriate evidence on and reason to believe that they could obtain and sustain a conviction in. and, evan mcmullin, i referred in my opening that the movie writes itself, but in some ways it s a bad movie. meaning the scene right before the airport is these two guys having lunch with rudy giuliani, which is an okay scene, but it s at the trump hotel in washington, which is just too on the nose.