and, joyce, is it just when chuck says it s really hard to do, just walk us through it. if an attorney general did try to block an investigation like this, and i m not suggesting that william barr would do that, but just for the audience i want to walk through what would happen. would a u.s. attorney resign, for example? would a career prosecutor go to the inspector general of the justice department? what might happen? you know, prosecutors tend to be people who understand the department s traditions and its practices very well. and prosecutors and the agents that they work with feel very strongly about their cases especially when they re ready for indictment and especially when there s something as important as protecting the integrity of american elections. so, i would expect that if something like this were to happen, and i think as chuck says, there s no indication that it happened here, every indication to the contrary, and the urgent report would have been transmitted to wa
finance laws by repeatedly using straw donors and foreign money. parnas and fruman were arrested around 6:00 p.m. last night at dulles airport as they were about to board an international flight with one-way tickets. the movie writes itself. they re ready to leave washington from dulles airport with one-way first-class plane tickets in their hands to frank frankfurt, germany. perhaps knowingly fleeing the country, perhaps not. they re watching the minutes tick down. according to one eyewitness in the new york times they re drinking and eating the free food and in the first-class lounge, when the first-class passengers are invited to board the plane before everyone else, they make their way toward the plane when suddenly two plain-clothes officers suddenly
who s walked right back into that history. i want to listen to something that george conway said yesterday on preet bharara s podcast, and this is about people working in trump world, people working in republican positions in washington and why they do not come forward and resign, if not just kind of hand over the goods on the president. let s listen to this. i think the calculation they should be making is he is going to be gone at some point, and there is going to be a reckoning, and history isn t going to be kind to people who said nothing or stood up for trump. but that said, even if you don t believe in that, it s clear that they re not sure which way to go, and if you re not sure which way to go, why not just do the right thing? is your advice to people in his inner circle to quit? if you can t have a positive effect on him, an i don t think anybody can, yeah. paul, i think he knows someone in the inner circle much better than you do, but you do know people in that worl
washington seems to have known about this and how problematic the president s approach to ukraine was and his holding of this military aid. you had officials in the white house even before the july 25th call who are concerned about it. they heard the call. they were even additionally concerned. officials at omb knew and were concerned. officials at the cia were concerned. congress was concerned. and we re all learning about this. the american people are learning about this, too, now. as the president continues to try to say, hey, there s nothing to see here, what i did was perfect, my conversation was perfect, there s nothing wrong with what i did. really what is emerging is this picture that everyone actually disagreed with him and everyone knew this was very wrong and very dangerous and very much not in the interest on a lot of levels of the american of the country and of the american people. and i think that s going to be important as the impeachment process or the inquiry, at
those symptoms. all of this comes as we finally know who will be hosting the november debate. it s us, msnbc and the washington post will co-host the fifth democratic presidential primary debate in georgia next month. joining me now from washington, nbc news senior political editor, who will be busy in georgia next month for that debate, my colleague, mark murray. all right, mark, elizabeth warren, now the front-runner. does this change the race in any way? yeah, well, it certainly gives her a lot more scrutiny, stephanie. and i would actually argue, i think we have two co-front-runners in this race, joe biden and elizabeth warren. that real clear politics average can change depending on the poll and all polls are sometimes different, but you have elizabeth warren who might be the slight front-runner in iowa and new hampshire, joe biden the heavy favorite right now in south carolina. looking at the national polls, they re about tied. i d say we have two front-runners. but also, b