you. the office of special counsel said you violated it. let me know when the jail sentence starts. the white house calls today s report deeply flawed and objects on a number of grounds, including a violation of conway s free speech rights. joining me is former special adviser to president obama, van jones, the white house council s office under president obama, daniel jacobson. kellyanne conway dismisses this entire line of questioning over the hatch act, blah, blah, blah, let me know when the sentence begins. does she have anything to worry about? she is making the joke that there is no criminal there is no penalty, that you don t go to jail for violating the hatch act. the problem is i think we now are in a world where we have to remind people why we pass these laws. we used to say listen, you break the law, that s bad. everybody gets it. now it s break the law, i don t really care. why do we care about this? we do not want people who have
about this before, and if you work in the white house, and she worked in the white house under obama, you re well aware of the rules regarding this, and you take great care not to violate them. this is not some arcane guideline that is found centuries old text somewhere in a library. i don t know about you, but the first two days when you work in the white house, they put you in a room with a whole bunch of lawyers and government officials, and you literally spend two whole days saying if you do this, you go to jail. if you do this, you go to jail. you do this, you re breaking the law. by the time you leave, you re i don t know if i want this job. there are so many ways for me to get in trouble. and then you ve got the ethics people all over you. so this is not an accident. if she is doing this, she is doing it consciously and knowingly. like i said, she actually is doing stuff that she never gets praise for on opioids and other stuff. i think when you break the rules, we ve got to f
and the special counsel said to the washington post yes, it s unprecedented as a recommendation but kellyanne conway s behavior is absolutely unprecedented. they have never seen anything like it. that s going to be later in this hour because we have more breaking news tonight about what the president said last night. last night, the president of the united states said that the fbi director was wrong, those were his exact words. the fbi direct ser wrong. tonight, the chair of the federal election commission is saying that the president of the united states is wrong. america s top law enforcement officer, the attorney general of the united states stayed silent today about the president s misstatement of federal law last night. the fbi director stayed silent today about the president s misstatement of federal law last night. and the president s saying that the fbi director is wrong. the fbi director had nothing to say about that.
he knows the final jury is actually the senate and it s the senators, republican senators who are keeping his illegal behavior happening. neera tanden gets the last word on this segment. ron klain, thank you both. really appreciate it. when we come back, the office in charge of enforcing the hatch act told president trump today that kellyanne conway is a repeat offender. that was their word, repeat offender and should be fired. we ll show you the reporting from this program that was quoted in that report to the president. and also tonight, we will be joined by presidential candidate senator michael bennett, he is a member of the senate intelligence committee and he s one of the candidates who has qualified for the first round of presidential debates right here on msnbc, the week after next. here on msnbc, the week after next.
campaign commercials for the president s re-election and none ever have. and the white house counsel s office just made up the idea that senior white house officials are exempt from the hatch act. no one has ever believed that before. libel law by the way does not specifically mention social medial either but you can absolutely libel someone on twitter fright now and every lawyer in america and washington knows that the white house counsel wrote a legally empty defense of kellyanne conway today. the special counsel s report began with what she said publicly about her own violations of the hatch act. after my.tweets about kellyanne conway s hatch act violations and our reporting on her violations on the hatch act on this program, finally, finally at the end of may this year, a reporter asked her about her violations of the hatch act and her response became the very first sentence in the special counsel s report.