policy, he s interested in personnel. he was very close to porter. mcgahn knew and told him. trump knew and trump decided, let s put it the nicest way, you know, there are no legal charges, no criminal charges, no civil actions, i guess, a roadw restraining order, i m going to let porter stay there. but trump has no decision that was trump s decision. and the reason they lied is because they re covering up the fact that it didn t matter to donald trump that a wife abuser was in a senior staff position in the white house. and trump said, who cares, forget it, keep him on. that s my view. if you re right, that s worse. yeah, it is worse. it is worse. than the way we re looking at it. and i think kelly may be taking the bullet on this. let s ask kelly. let s see, did you never discuss this with donald trump before just this week or last weak? i don t buy that for a minute, the way trump runs that white house. hope hicks is very, very close to donald trump. he s just like n