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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211019 20:11:00

several prominent proponents of false election fraud claims that had been promoted by trump. boris epstein was there as well as roger stone, who left the hotel with bodyguards and campaign spokesperson, jason miller. someone will be unwilling to go to jail for donald trump. someone will testify to this committee about where this plan took shape and donald trump s role in it. do you have any sense of where these other individuals stand and how far they re willing to go? it s not clear and particularly, many of those folks who were at the willard that day are also part of very much trump s inner circle. people who are closest to him. people who you might say livelihoods are connected to being part of trump s propagating the big lie. they re totally all the way in.

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211019 20:16:00

capitol. we know that donald trump told mike pence to do the right thing. donald trump pressured mike pence not to count the votes of the georgia rally i think two days before january 6th. donald trump committed his attempt to overturn the election result in public on recorded phone lines, on calls for which there were notes taken, and bannon seems to be very unwilling to have this contempt vote go down. i just want to share with our viewers the latest developments. bannon s attorney requested a delay of tonight s meeting and tonight s vote citing trump s lawsuit against the committee. the committee responded that because trump s lawsuit is related to an archives question and not bannon s testimony, they would deny that. the white house has also weighed in to bannon s attorney today saying this, as you are aware, bannon s tenure as white house employee ended in 2017. to the extent any privileges could apply to bannon s conversations with the former president and white house staff after

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211019 20:10:00

subpoena against bannon, congress might as well pack up and quit having any pretensive of oversight ability. but what we have to be aware of is the risk that bannon will wrap himself in that mantle of witch hunt and being politically persecuted and that they will try to use this to whip trump s base back into a fever. everyone needs to be prepared for that scenario. i guess if he was really down for going to jail, he would have begged for a pardon. betsy, the committee s naming names. not just steve bannon. he met with suggests that bannon was among several prominent support of efforts to undermine election results. the group that assembled at the willard is reported to have included members of the trump campaign s legal team.

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211019 20:09:00

you know, when you ve lost chuck cooper who also represented jeff sessions, you re in really, really big trouble in this area and it demonstrates how very weak the arguments for executive privilege are in this case. bannon wasn t in the white house doesn t really apply. not even arguably, but something we need to be aware of here is that congress has imperfect mechanisms for enforcing their subpoena and they have no guarantee that they can obtain bannon s testimony. they can enforce civilly. prosecute criminally if doj will intervene. that might mean that bannon goes to prison for a brief period of time. it doesn t mean he ll end up testifying. so she makes a good point. she talks about bannon as the architect of trump s grievance politics. what we have to be prepared for if we believe it s important for congress to enforce these subpoenas and i believe that it is incredibly important here. if you can t enforce the

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20211019 20:33:00

had little bit of a criminal record so it wasn t something that was an easy entry for him into the military, but that s sort of how dedicated he was to this movement. he was on television. he was at trump rallies and appearing on local news and getting into fights with anti-trump protesters. this was a guy who really thought he found a cause and dedication. we ve seen this in so many instances before. i think back to this trial i covered in kansas where three trump fans plotted in 2016 during the 2016 election to slaughter muslim refugees. you look back to the individual who mailed pipe bombs to all of trump s enemies across the country. there s this real thorough through of all these individuals who think they re patriots and think that they re acting on behalf of donald trump and that they re targeting the right people here and are a part of this broader movement in support of this one individual. then they realize they re just felons. let me show you, joyce vance, a clip from the

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