criminal case against him? i think so, jon. really, i feel bad for the girl and that was definitely unwanted touching, you re right under the legal standard that is technically an assault but when you re talking about a kid like this, unless you have a history of horrible, kissing girls all over the schoolyard i would say something within the school is more appropriate than criminal charges. getting this guy, with a criminal charge at age of 13, counseling whatever. has to be something within the school, rather than jumping to the idea of a criminal charge. well he has been charged apparently as a juvenile. not clear exactly what kind of punishment he might face, but a sad and strange situation. we ll keep viewers updated on both of them. troy slayton, lis wiehl, thank you both. thanks, jon. jenna: happening now, president obama meeting with a key cabinet member on very controversial policy issue. we have live details from the white house. plus we re learning more about the tear
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it happens in these fraternities, it does, but doesn t make it right. i guess what the defense is going to say, look, these kids were part of hazing goes on national level. if you really want to cut down on this, if you want to cut down on potential of death, by the way, jon, it happens almost every year, get rid of hazing in fraternities. don t make these kids, particular kids responsible for this horrible death. i don t agree with that, but i think that is what the defense is going to say. jon: these were a bunch of teenagers, 18 years old mostly. talk about a case involving a younger boy now. a 13-year-old maryland kid is facing assault charges, accused of grabbing a 14-year-old girl s shirt and then kissing her. it was apparently all part of a dare. is assault an appropriate charge here? troy, you know, young boy gets dared to kiss a girl. he grabs her shirt and does so.
you re absolutely right. burden of proof on prosecution. all it takes is one juror to hang it up, but 4.7 million in insurance policies? who does that? and she didn t know about it. so, boy, that s a tough one for the defense to try to argue in closing arguments. guys, good to see you. everything guster, d eric guster, troy slayton, good to see you, thanks. jenna: do you know the truth about what really happened there? we have some exclusive on an area of ellis island very few have seen in decades. we re going to show you the hidden halls next. plus, an eye on wall street as the dow reacts to new job numbers. what it could mean for your bottom line. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it s a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. .that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good.
of a colorado man, his name is harold henthorn, accused of pushing his wife, toni, off a cliff three years ago. prosecutors say the motive was a multimillion dollar insurance policy. the defense maintains the fatal fall was all an accident, and after the fact he tried to save his wife. now a deputy coroner testifying to jurors that the investigation suddenly changed after anonymous letter revealing that the defendant s first wife also died suddenly and suspiciously back in 1995. let s bring in criminal defense be attorney eric duster, former president troy slayton. normally prosecutors can only present evidence of the crime for which the accused is charged. but the judge made a ruling here. he said, you know, these are so similar, first wife/second wife, it s a pattern of conduct. so now the accused is having to sort of defend double trouble here. how damaging is it?