criminal case against him? >> i think so, jon. really, i feel bad for the girl and that was definitely unwanted touching, you're right under the legal standard that is technically an assault but when you're talking about a kid like this, unless you have a history of horrible, kissing girls all over the schoolyard i would say something within the school is more appropriate than criminal charges. getting this guy, with a criminal charge at age of 13, counseling whatever. has to be something within the school, rather than jumping to the idea of a criminal charge. >> well he has been charged apparently as a juvenile. not clear exactly what kind of punishment he might face, but a sad and strange situation. we'll keep viewers updated on both of them. troy slayton, lis wiehl, thank you both. >> thanks, jon. jenna: happening now, president obama meeting with a key cabinet member on very controversial policy issue. we have live details from the white house. plus we're learning more about the tear plot just disrupted