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Transcripts for MSNBC Ana Cabrera Reports 20240604 14:09:00

argue, could give mr. trump some relief. in a trial setting what you will hear from the other side should they mount a defense, they re not required to, is that the defendant lacked willfulness. it wasn t intentional. i think that is such an important point to make here because, frank, when we re talking about the seriousness of these crimes, i think there may be some misunderstanding out there that trump just kept the documents and forgot to return them, but now we know that the espionage act is involved here. to what degree does that raise the bar? yeah. this is an important issue, in part from a security perspective, ana, because everybody out there in trump world is keying off of gop high profile people. senators hawley, tauberville, speaker mccarthy and all of the fox news hosts saying this is

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:17:00

about right to you in terms of complexity. second of all, what you were describing was super compelling about how classified the documents are. there s 31 documents that are described we get a brief description and an account from the government as to what level of classification they are. and you rightfully point out this is highly classified stuff. including some of the stuff that s so highly classified, we re not allowed to know what level of classification it s at. we re not even allowed to know what mark rgs on it. how do they deal with that in front of a jury? the jury doesn t have security clearance. how do they work with that in the trial setting given that the documents that they base these charges on are so highly classified. and the last question, as you say, they are charging willful retention of national defense information under the espionage act.

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Transcripts for MSNBC The ReidOut 20240604 23:26:00

of what information is so important that releasing it to the wrong people could do grave damage to our national security. that s the language that underlies this notion of top secret classified information. trump is so cavalier in his treatment of this. this is the sort of thing that you can see blowing up in his face in a trial setting. so, i think one of the frustrations that people have had is how long all of this is taking, but if you have the national archives just now sending these 16 documents, whatever they are, over to jack smith s office, is the problem here that just more new stuff keeps coming up and that you can t close an investigation when your investigation keeps turning up more things. in your view, could that be what s taking so long for this to come to a conclusion? it looks to me like there are two things here. part of it is exactly as you say. it s important for doj contemplating prosecuting a former president for the first time to make sure they dot all

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Transcripts for MSNBC The Beat With Ari Melber 20240604 22:16:00

that in quotes, that operated the way fox news operates. hmm. mark? yeah, and i would add that not only do they operate like this, they operate at the biggest stage. i mean, this is not as you said, this is not a media story. this is the election of 2020. this determined who was going to sit in the white house. so, yeah, we re talking obviously in a trial setting, it is more than just theater. there are a lot of particulars to the first amendment that need to be adjudicated here. there is a right to lie, a right to acting insane, a right to hypocrisy. the first amendment can cast a wide cover over a number of really irresponsible journalistic behaviors, which is obviously on trial for everyone to see. but ultimately the question of whether it s actionable is going to sort of rest with the jury and judge and a whole lot of

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