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electors in with the knowledge that they have lost all the recounts. they have lost all the audits, and they ve lost all the cases. its, and they v i mean, the charges e indictments are different. the statutes being charged are different, right? the federal case, which the story was about, the top line charge is instruction of, obstruction of official proceeding, section 1512. that does not require prosecutors to show that trump knew he had lost the election. it actually requires them only to show that trump would have gained an unlawful benefit of the obstruction taking place, and that was what he was trying to do. it wasn t about the first amendment issue, i mean, those political speeches aren t being charged. what is being charged is he tried to stop the certification from taking place by pressuring these officials, by having these fake electors. and that was absolutely illegal. in fact, in the opening of the federal charge, the jack smith charge, it makes very, very clear, in f

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