National guard. Then when we included mr. Stenger, the three of us discussed the specific issue on whether the intelligence warranted the troops and the answer was no. It was a collective answer no, and then mr. Stenger put forward his recommendation of having them on standby, and my recollection is mr. Sund was very satisfied with that. In fact, he briefed the day that he was satisfied, and i heard no concern anytime thereafter. This use of the word optics, the appearance, what it would look like to have the guard, there was reluctance to request assistance because of the appearance. Was there something whats the appearance that you were concerned about, mr. Irving, if indeed you were . Were you concerned that having the guard present would look too militarized, were you concerned about the guard being deployed prior to that in 2020 . I was not concerned about appearance whatsoever. It was all about safety and security. Any reference would have been related to appropriate use of force