we should make it clear, there was absolutely no evidence that anifa was involved on january 6th, but we re hearing all of this at time when former vice president pence has made his strongest statement yet, openly rejecting trump s claims that he could have overturned the election, saying the former president is wrong. new this morning, washington post reporting that the national ar kooifs had to go down to mar-a-lago to get documents that should have been turned over by the trump white house. i want to bring in leigh ann caldwell on capitol hill, ashley parker, bureau e chief at the washington post, nbc reporter robin riley covering the justice department, and tom lo bianco, who wrote a book on mike pence called piety and power. liz parker, let s talk about trump. he says that hang mike pence was just an expression. this is exactly how republicans build this alternate reality
to overturn the election. the problem there is that s not legitimate either as the courts decide it. the courts decided this isn t a legitimate these aren t legitimate claims. i think the problem going forward is that video that i posted came out of one of these court cases that ongoing. these court cases are going to continue to produce evidence that shows how violent this was. as these cases go on and go to trial and we see pleas we ll see video evidence of these violent attacks on officers that day. it will make it really inveentd going into 2023, 2024 for republicans who wanted to say this wasn t a really big deal, this was just some sort of legitimate form of protest. tom, tom, tom, let s switch gears and talk about mike pence. i want to play part of what trump told jeremy peters about pence. listen to this. listen to this
but again, you can t do that with robert mueller. and that s going to be behind closed doors that really haven t leaked anyway. and also i would note that white house chief of staff john kelley on fox news tonight was very cold when he spoke about bannon. it was a little confusing because he said the white house had not instructed bannon to invoke executive privilege. that s a whole separate question. i thought that was very strange that kelley said that, but also said bannon has had basically no contact with the white house, doesn t talk to people there, there was no sense of a thaw. so he may have a long way to go if that is his strategy. we have a bit of that ready to run later in our hour tonight. a terrific conversation to start us off on a wednesday night. our thanks to michael crowley, barbara mcquaid, and tom lobianco, really appreciate it. our next guest was in that heated house intelligence committee meeting with steve bannon, he has a lot to say about claims of executive
we have a bit of that ready to run later in our hour tonight. a terrific conversation to start us off on a wednesday night. our thanks to michael crowley, barbara mcquaid, and tom lobianco, really appreciate it. our next guest was in that heated house intelligence committee meeting with steve bannon, he has a lot to say about claims of executive privilege for starters. the downdown is on to a potential government shutdown as republicans are for one fighting amongst themselves. a lot to get to as the 11th hour continues. s in shock. i am very proud of the development of drugs that can prevent the rejection and prevent the recurrence of the original disease. i never felt i was going to die. we know so much about transplantation. and we re living longer. you cannot help but be inspired by the opportunities that a transplant would offer. my donor s mom says you were meant to carry his story .
means to be presidential. and again, you go back to what john said. are there two americas? there are absolutely two americas. does it make it any less troubling that the president of the united states is so callous with the way he sort of is only willing to represent that one half of that america and the dwindling half at that? yeah, i think it s pretty troubling. i wanted to and we can discuss that a little bit. but time is limited. there was something else that struck me today that i was willing to raise as well. cnn s tom lo bianco spoke to a republican congressman. we can put up what that congressman told him. it s not on tape. but the quote is quite telling. he said, we re just trying to manage this stuff, let s say. the people that love him will love him more. the people that hate him will hate him more. and the people in the middle probably will look at it the way we look at it in congress, which