that hearing. it was about the issues that a person of faith who is a judge must confront. what were you trying to say in that article? it was entitled catholic judges in cases but it is not a problem unique to catholics. there are many others besides catholics in many of the churches that oppose the death penalty as well but it was about with somebody who has that sort of religious conviction should do when she is a judge acting in a case where she is obliged to impose the death penalty. people of conscience will face that. where do you come out in that? in a funny place in one way. the problem was much more complicated than we suppose. there is a lot of work that conscientious judges can do in capital cases. especially judges that do not present this sort of problem that we imagine but not because you are dealing with facts but because of the lot.
church regarding the mass. those who prefer the tradition, those who prefer the modern elements. and that is the fine line that pope francis himself is walking in all of the discussions within the catholic church. updating some of the traditions, updating some of the practices but maintaining the route because that is essential to the catholic identity. and there are, john, different strands of catholicism. you have jesuits and, of course, francescans here. and at least one jesuit in the room because it s pope francis. a jesuit, of course, who chose the name pope francis. yes. after the francescans. we often talk about the unity and we have all of the technical term is unique identities of different outfits within the church and among
onto the basic teachings of the catholic church but keep the door open, as he s said. as delia said, you hear the roar anticipating this parade of suvs will be followed by the fiat and pope. i want to explain the breakup in the signal as the pope comes close, the signals take a hit. i ll be honest because of the jamming signals with security, that s part of the problem. i hope this will come back up. you can hear everybody. you can hear very well the roar. there it is. there is the fiat with the pope. and jason carroll is right now, you see everyone cheering, moving very quickly, jason carroll outside the residence where the pope is heading now to spend the night before he goes to philadelphia and jason, people there also waiting for a glimpse of this pope.
religious orders and then, of course, there s the geographic spread of the church. 1.2 million catholics and catholicism in subsaharan territory is different than that is northern europe and yet with all of that the word is unity and the catholic word for that is communion and that, of course, is what we ve just witnessed. what we just witnessed and now a hymm that is familiar to anyone who has attended a catholic mass. let s listen in.
you are watching live, this is madison square garden in new york. the pope just finishing mass, a very special moment, punctuated by cardinal dolan with some true joy as he thanked the pope for coming to new york. the pope right now is moving outside. he s going to get back into his motorcade and get back into the fiat and go through the streets of new york, something that has been so uplifting and inspiring to so many, to catholics and not. right now he s changing his vestments so he will be clad in white as he gets back into the fiat. our alexandra field is out there with the crowds, waiting for that one moment that they may get a glimpse of the pope. reporter: erin, it s really genuinely pretty spectacular. you certainly don t have to be catholic to appreciate it. it s just a crowd of people out here holding their breath waiting for a glimpse of the holy father as he passes through in that fiat.