that hearing. it was about the issues that a person of faith who is a judge must confront. what were you trying to say in that article? >> it was entitled catholic judges in cases but it is not a problem unique to catholics. there are many others besides catholics in many of the churches that oppose the death penalty as well but it was about with somebody who has that sort of religious conviction should do when she is a judge acting in a case where she is obliged to impose the death penalty. people of conscience will face that. >> where do you come out in that? >> in a funny place in one way. the problem was much more complicated than we suppose. there is a lot of work that conscientious judges can do in capital cases. especially judges that do not present this sort of problem that we imagine but -- not because you are dealing with facts but because of the lot.