Savage, Supreme Court correspondent for the los angeles times. Host professor Kenji Yoshino you have written a very interesting very thoughtful account of the 2010 trial in San Francisco where to couples challenged californias ban on samesex marriage. This was a trial that neither side wanted. Tell us why you decided to go back and write a book now. Guest at david first of all thank you so much for doing this interview. Its my great pleasure to be here today. I really got into thinking about this trial after chief judge ron walker issued his 136 page opinion with findings of fact on august the fourth of 2010 and i looked at that opinion and as somebody who has been working in the gay rights feel this opinion but different in kind from anything i had seen before. Its just thoughtfulness generally and so i asked my library and to pull the transcript of the trial and she came up with it in 13 volumes 2000 page transcript of the trial in closing arguments. When i first started reading it i