there s a massive spike in cubans that are trying to make that journey. when i was there a couple of weeks ago, it s important to see the conditions in which their making this journey, they re making boats with car engines, roofing material, glue, ropes to have a chance to make it to the united states. i ve seen many sunken boats, indications that some people don t make it. so long as there s desperation, this will continue to be the reality. so what happens to cubans when they reach u.s. soil by boat? there seems to be a different policy, if you want to call it that, between what happens to folks that come from a from haiti or cuba on a boat, versus the darien jungle, up through mexico trying to make it through the border. everything is changing. that s why this is so historic right now from what we re seeing. if you re a cuban migrant that has recently arrived to the
border encounters in the last 15 months. it s the beginning of fiscal year 2021. those are encounters. that s over a million more encounters than in the previous 15 months when there were just over 2 million encounters. one of the countries people are coming from is cuba, which is currently experiencing its largest mass exodus since the 1980s. five times more cubans coming to the u.s. in just the past four months than in all of fiscal year 2021. but with border policies changing, many of them won t get to stay in the united states. joining us now is paola ramos who spoke to people arriving from the florida coast, an msnbc contributor, a vice news correspondent. to see you. you have done such extraordinary work on this issue specifically and you know this, nothing happens in a vacuum. the cuban regime has been in power for 63 years now.
united states, it is very likely that you will either be deported or you will be given orders of removal. the reason why this is historic, as you know, jose, since the cold war, cubans have received preferential treatment in the american immigration system. it is easier for you to seek asylum in this country, easier for you to have a direct pathway to citizenship, residency, here s the thing, perhaps until now. according to the new immigration rules, there are more legal pathways for cubans to come to this country, but not if you re seeking asylum at the border. you will be returned. that is why this is such an historic announcement for cuba. paola ramos, thank you for being with us. of course, look forward to that reporting on vice and you always have been on the forefront of keeping a light on this issue. i thank you for being with us this morning. thank you, jose. up next, the department of justice is investigating abbott
people in cuba still detained related to protests. does u.s. policy here dictate in any way what decisions folks are taking to take to the seas to try to get out of that island dictatorship. jose, i think regardless of the way the biden administration is implementing more hard-line immigration policies, the core of the story remains the same. so long as desperation exists, so long as countries like cuba continue to be dictatorships, migrants are willing to risk their lives, take boats and go through a 100-mile journey in boats just to reach that american dream. you can tell people not to come. you can tell people that the border is closed, but they will continue to do that, both to give the sense since october alone, the coast guard has intercepted almost 5,000 migrants at sea.
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