that just said, oh i wouldn t vote for trump, they re a loser. they re going to come back to him the minute desantis stumbles. which is what nikki haley did, which is what lindsey graham did, it s what all of them did. what is the thing, man? what is the force? it is fear. they are terrified of his base. they are terrified of being set apart from the right. because of this evolution of the gop and it used to be the traditional republicans, they got by the tea party. the tea party guys got eaten by monika, and now the moguls are being eaten by the ultra maga s, and the right-wing crazies. and trump has served along the top of that wave now, very effectively, in terms of keeping that angry base. so what do democrats what democrats do, we were talking before the show, the republicans are not in the right place, certainly the far-right ones, with these abortion laws that are going around through the states. they are not the most same place as most americans are.
think if he s defeated soundly, and they have to reconcile the fact that we functionally now have two republican parties in the country. one of them is a smaller, weaker, more centrist center right party. again, those people that i talked to a lot that we address those voters in that 15% or so of republicans who are just not going to vote for trump, no matter what. but, the other part of it is the seething populists, hyper nationalist, racially inflicted, comfortable with violence, all those things. that party is firmly in trump s hands. if he is firmly control of that part of the party, and, until that is repudiated at some level, and they are told, no this is not a philosophy that represents a republican party or conservatism in any way, you know, they are going to continue to sort of fantasize
that s my neighbourhood you re talking about. even if it s not directly your neighbourhood, you start knowing people who don t have healthcare as friends, knowing people who are undocumented and can t go to their parents funeral. and then it stops becoming interesting, perse, and becomes quite personal. you covered so many important stories while you were in america the iraq war, the election of president obama, occupy wall street, the tea party. but i think reporting on hurricane katrina over the course of the years stands out, why is that? i felt that in that moment, the contradictions of america s kind of race and class were laid bare. that there were all sorts of ways in which they could be finessed anybody who tries hard enough can do this or that and, you know, the civil rights era was a long time ago, even though it wasn t, and we have equality now and so on. obama was known by this stage, but there was no sense that he would ever be president, it would be a really weir
you covered so many important stories while you were in america the iraq war, the election of president obama, occupy wall street, the tea party. but i think reporting on hurricane katrina over the course of the years stands out, why is that? i felt that in that moment, the contradictions of america s kind of race and class were laid bare. that there were all sorts of ways in which they could be finessed anybody who tries hard enough can do this or that and, you know, the civil rights era was a long time ago, even though it wasn t, and we have equality now and so on. obama was known by this stage, but there was no sense that he would ever be president, it would be a really weird idea, then. and so to see who could escape and who couldn t escape and why they couldn t escape, it s a public disaster so you have a public response, but this was a private response a privatised response. so if you didn t have a car,
you covered so many important stories while you were in america, the iraq war, the election of president obama, occupy wall street, the tea party. but i think reporting on hurricane katrina over the course of the years stands out for you. why is that? i felt that in that moment the contradictions of america s kind of race and class were laid bare. that there were all sorts of ways in which they could be finessed. anybody who tries hard enough can do this or that and, you know, the civil rights era was a long time ago, even though it wasn t, and we have equality now and so on. obama was known by this stage, but there was no sense that he would ever be president it would be a really weird idea then. and so to see who could escape and who couldn t escape and why