anthony: so, everything comes came through here. woman: il sont, il sont. anthony: attitudes about many things are decidedly different here. where many post-colonial cultures are ambivalent or conflicted about their bloodlines picking black or white to identity with here, people are proud of who they are and where they came from. all of it. i m curious why the post-colonial experience in senegal is so different than the post-colonial experience almost everywhere else. man: i think that the pre-colonial and the colonial experience in senegal is different, also. not only the post-colonial experience, because in saint-louis we had lots of influences, i think. anthony: arab, portugese, uh man: so, because, yes, the portuguese and the english first the frorocco,e morocco. that,
the president went out to casablanca in early 1943 to decide on how best the allies should defeat nazi germany. the americans had overwhelmed e morocco and algeria. the president met churchill in casablanca but made quite sure he met the moroccan leaders at the time. they wanted the united states to win the war and then restore their empire. that s not how fdr saw the future. you point out at the end of that dinner he has a private conversation with his son. he says i m going to work with all the strength in my body to ensure that when this war is over, we don t just give back the colonies to the british and french because he saw that as
looked very different because most very practical, pragmatic. roosevelt was deeply idealistic about how he wanted the post world war to look. the president was an anti- anti-colonialist. the two great leaders were arguing about the future. churchill is the prime minister of this vast, british, ancient empire and the president looking ahead to how these countries would achieve self-determination after the war. you talk about when he was at casablanca and he starts telling about the world he imagines. he s describing morocco was a french colony. tell that story.