judge s ruling in all of this and the justice department saying they want to appeal. talking to legal sources close to the don mcgahn situation, in the last several minutes, this has major implications for mick mulvaney and john bolton and so on and might not have so many implications for john mcgahn because he is not wanted to testify quite as much as he once was. as it relates to the white house and what the chair saying about the what the white house is saying about the don mcgahn ruling as you ve been reporting in the last couple of minutes, the justice department will appeal going back to the concern the democrats have had the last few weeks and works to the advantage of the white house. the white house attorney and white house counsel s office and justice department, they can block these administration officials from testifying in
records of the president of the united states no matter who is in office and sounds like, at least for the moment, the supreme court will hear this out. and democrats, when it gets back to the impeachment inquiry, this is one reason democrats say they don t want to fight all these matters in court, for instance why mm should testify in the impeachment inquiry and saying we should try to bring these officials in to testify but that will take months for that to be adjudicated, and you can see now the supreme court blocking the house from obtaining these tax records, it goes to show you how long these things can play out. the don mcgahn ruling is a point. he left the office the end of last year and here we are almost the end of 2019 getting a
john bolton, he spent all weekend tweeting everybody on twitter, something big is coming, he s not going to do it unless compelled to. we ll see the don mcgahn ruling may be forthcoming, there s a lot of what ifs, at this point, just like alex said, democrats are decided they re not going to wait. as of now, proceed ahead, and maybe some democrats hope there s a possibility by the time you get to the senate. we will see. as we go to break, outgoing energy secretary rick perry praises the president. let s just put it he didn t always view it this way. i said mr. president, i know there are people who say you said you were the chosen one, and i said you were. my fellow republicans, beware of false prophets. do not let itching ears be tickled by messengers who appeal to anger, division, resentment.
we ll see if this one actually does generate an appeals court ruling. but this dispute between the congress and the white house in many different ways is making new law. will this have any bearing over documents that congress is looking for or just testimony? i think that this is basically about appearance, about in-person testimony, not about a subpoena for documents. that s a different question. we just have a few seconds left. is it good political strategy to have don mcgahn come and sit before them even if he doesn t answer any questions? yes, because he is supposed to be complying with a lawful subpoena. i think that the precedent that is set in this moment is that we don t have two coequal branches of government if one can just tell the other one. no. well, that s good point. all right, guy, it s been a rock n roll hour. we ve got the don mcgahn ruling as expected. pete williams, thank you so much for coming back to the camera, pete confess sorry, bret