he also allegedly co ordinated a scheme to have fake members of the electoral college cast their votes for mr trump in georgia rather thanjoe biden, who won the state. and, mr trump s campaign lawyers also reportedly worked with a data firm to copy sensitive data from election systems in a georgian county. the most serious charge, violating the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act, is punishable by a maximum of 20 years in prison. the act is designed to help take down organised criminal syndicates like the mafia. former president trump denies all charges and has taken to the social media site truth social stating, the witch hunt continues, and claiming election interference. live now to daniel lippman, who is a reporter covering the white house and washington for the news website politico. talk us through these
been taken out of it enough that we will talk about heavily divided politics rather than, as you say, the possibility of actual, genuinely violent civil war. i m almost the same age asjoe biden, so i feel i m kind of entitled to ask this question. isn t he past it? he does look elderly in the way he talks and the way he walks and the way he presents himself. and that can be used against him by people who say he s simply not up to it or he just doesn t have the vitality to take the country on to the next step. it s very hard for people in the democratic party to challenge a sitting president. if he ends up standing against donald trump, well, he s only about four years younger thanjoe biden. so the age issue is neutralised a bit there. but if the republicans come up with a much younger candidate, if they look to ron desantis, the governor of florida, who is enjoying a great political rising at the moment, he s 44, that really would make an enormous difference.
democracy, but also in many cases, sobered people up a bit. you ve still got people who are angry, people who feel dispossessed, people who feel underrepresented in this country. and that can be a very, very dangerous recipe. but for now, the heat seems to have been taken out of it enough that we will talk about heavily divided politics rather than, as you say, the possibility of actual, genuinely violent civil war. i m almost the same age asjoe biden, so i feel i m kind of entitled to ask this question. isn t he past it? he does look elderly in the way he talks and the way he walks and the way he presents himself. and that can be used against him by people who say he s simply not up to it, or he just doesn t have the vitality to take the country on to the next step. it s very hard for people in the democratic party to challenge a sitting president. if he ends up standing against donald trump, well, he s only about four years younger thanjoe biden. so the age issue is
he does look elderly in the way he talks and the way he walks and the way he presents himself. and that can be used against him by people who say he s simply not up to it or he just doesn t have the vitality to take the country on to the next step. it s very hard for people in the democratic party to challenge a sitting president. if he ends up standing against donald trump, well, he s only about four years younger thanjoe biden. so the age issue is neutralised a bit there. but if the republicans come up with a much younger candidate, if they look to ron desantis, the governor of florida, who is enjoying a great political rising at the moment, he s 44, that really would make an enormous difference. can i turn to something completely different now? the ukrainian government or people that i ve spoken to working for the ukrainian government are very nervous that at some stage president biden is going to force them or try to force them at any