documents could be legally perilous does it help him if he has a completely erroneous, sincerel held theory of the law, that everything is his? so, you know, again, if w didn t have all this kind of information we re getting abou legal advisers, telling him, you know, what the law is, and that presidential records ar not yours, they re public, they re not private records. that s what the presidential records act was all about, after nixon himself tried to destroy presidential tapes right? and so, what he s trying to do now is i think trying to creat this facade that he actually innocently did this. but we know, and we expect tha the evidence that will b presented, if there ever is an indictment trial, will sho that he was advised time and time again that these were not his records. i have to say this, the reporting suggests to me tha an indictment even more likely than i thought it was a week ago. mary mccord, thank you ver much appreciate it. thank you still ahead - donald tru
documents has to be done wit intent to obstruct or influenc an official proceeding and an fbi investigation is by law an official proceeding and i will tell you anothe thing about intent, all of tha information that we re seeing, and evidence that we are hearing about being accumulated, some of it goes, you know, directly potentially to hi intent during that time period post subpoena, pre june 4th. and some of those go eve before that, including eve some evidence i m seeing in th reporting, some informatio that he intended to sort of, you know, obstruct the archives, even getting things that wer not classified, because he feels that he should b entitled to that he s just wrong about that that intent, that kind o evidence can come in a trial not to prove action an conformity with a previous intent, but to actually prov intent it is called other bad act evidence, and even thoug that s normally excluded because a jury needs to, you know, in any case that th intent was there for that cas
documents, including 17 with top secret markings. and they were provided with letter signed, we know now, by christina bobb, one of the presidents attorneys at th time, the former president attorneys, certifying to havin conducted a diligent search an there being no additiona classified records a mar-a-lago so, that time period now, this breaking news we ve seen wit the washington post and othe reporting is, i think, focused on, did the president betwee that subpoena and june 3rd, an perhaps even after that, but particularly in that timeframe did he look through thos documents himself, and maybe made some decisions about what he did not want to turn over because a key crime here that being investigated is an obstruction of an official proceeding, and that include not only concealing and failin to provide, you know, document to the fbi during official proceeding but also falsifying any record so, that letter, if he was involved in that letter, i could also be key evidence o obstruction
national enquirer, the acknowledged to federa prosecutors previously, th question is, did they go to th quiet state prosecutors, the matt da and the grand jury thi time around? and say what they told federal prosecutors previously and that that, in order to buy karen mcdougal s story was don for the principal purpose of influencing the 2016 election. if in fact the grand jury is bringing charges related t election violation, that i where, was it to influence the presidential election? that is where karen mcdougal s story specifically reall becomes important for th special case simon? vaughn, thank you so much for your reporting joining me now is hugo lowell, he is a politica investigations reporter for th guardian and lisa rubin is also, here she is an msnbc legal analyst. hugo, you have a lot of th reporting about the trump team and you report that donald trump himself may actually hav been one of the last people to
they have been subpoenaed to testify in front of a federa grand jury on the classified documents case is this now the era of accountability is this coming for forme president trump on multipl fronts will any of these othe investigations bring indictments? again, we should let la enforcement do their jobs an don t and let the judicial process do its work. in new york, i know that there is a pretty serious case where basically with all of th reporting, trump in th organization was lying t banks. they manhattan da, it look like, declined to prosecut that case. so, the manhattan da s makin decisions based on the evidence and he goes forward with thi hush money case, then it would seem like he is doing it based on the evidence. and i trust law enforcement an prosecutors. i also notes that michael cohen, donald trump s former attorney went to prison partly for th exact same conduct and issue which is being involved in these hush money payments.