united states historically has been directly involved in other governments overthrow and takeovers. and eventually america has to, as a country, have faith in its institutions. peter emerson, elise jordan thank you both very much. american icons and the people who inspired them. it s the subject of a new msnbc original series called iconoclast with tonight s premiere episode on martha stewart. estee lauder became one of the richest self-made women on the planet. estee put her name to the brand. she never stopped selling. i have lots of good ideas for while estee lauder chose makeup and perfume, martha s calling was how to live and how you can entertain. you can buy the notary embosser stamps. reporter: that was martha s great break-through. like estee her name was her brand. while she was teaching, she was
enforcer, also the crime partner. he called hem reprehensible and said these men didn t hunt animals, they hunted people, and that made them the scariest people on the streets of boston. the prosecutor told the jury, look, the only thing worse than making a deal with these people was not making a deal with these people. he said they needed iwitnesss in order to dismantle this organization from the ground up and that s what they got. he told the jury don t don t focus on the inconsistencies. they re minimal. focus on ultimately the big picture of what whitey bulger was doing. whitey bulger sitting at that defense table, he was hunched. he was taking notes. he wasn t looking at the prosecutor or the judge. he just scribbled and scribbled and scribbled while the prosecutor made their case that in fact, the jury should find him guilty. ash. but one thing he did not do, he did not take the stand in his own defense. it will be fascinating stee what this jury is going to do.
deterrent enough and the players i know best, like lance berkman and matt holliday and chris carpenter, people like that, they are furious that guys are still trying to cut corners. again, in a competitive sport when you have competitive people, you re always going to have this issue. it s going to be a cat and mouse game between the tester and testee and all you can do is keep going at it. i want to play this bit of sound that hammers that home from mike schmidt, the nature of being in such a competitive environment. take a look at this. what an exciting time for baseball. guys are home runs and ridiculous numbers and fans in the ballpark and revenue coming back and the game is back and, man, look how big he got over the winter and, you know, wow. that s kind of like everybody s attitude. it s really something. this is the future of the game,
all you can do is have a world-class program and do the best you can. the joint testing agreement, i agree. it s really quite impressive. what does this say about the effectiveness of that program if in fact there was cheating going on while it was happening and does the leaking of these names to a reporter, almost certainly coming from major league baseball itself undermine the trust that has been built up to make this testing agreement work? you know, my impression, chris, is that the player s association, which for years has fought testing, is now walking in concert with the owners that they want this stuff out and as michael wiener toured camps this spring, he heard time and again from players, look, a 50-game suspension has not been a deterrent enough and the players i know best, like lance berkman and matt holliday and chris carpenter, people like that, they are furious that guys are still trying to cut corners. again, in a competitive sport when you have competitive people,
are furious that guys are still trying to cut corners. again, in a competitive sport when you have competitive people, you re always going to have this issue. it s going to be a cat and mouse game between the tester and testee and all you can do is keep going at it. i want to play this bit of sound that hammers that home from mike schmidt, the nature of being in such a competitive environment. take a look at this. what an exciting time for baseball. guys are home runs and ridiculous numbers and fans in the ballpark and revenue coming back and the game is back and, man, look how big he got over the winter and, you know, wow. that s kind of like everybody s attitude. it s really something. this is the future of the game, i guess. do you think you would have gotten caught up in something like that? most likely. why not? he s talking about the huge 1998 home run race and the