all you can do is have a world-class program and do the best you can. >> the joint testing agreement, i agree. it's really quite impressive. what does this say about the effectiveness of that program if in fact there was cheating going on while it was happening and does the leaking of these names to a reporter, almost certainly coming from major league baseball itself undermine the trust that has been built up to make this testing agreement work? >> you know, my impression, chris, is that the player's association, which for years has fought testing, is now walking in concert with the owners that they want this stuff out and as michael wiener toured camps this spring, he heard time and again from players, look, a 50-game suspension has not been a deterrent enough and the players i know best, like lance berkman and matt holliday and chris carpenter, people like that, they are furious that guys are still trying to cut corners. again, in a competitive sport when you have competitive people, you're always going to have this issue. it's going to be a cat and mouse game between the tester and testee and all you can do is