in. and now we seem to try to erode even terry vs. ohio and you are putting police officers lives in danger. tucker: heather, really quickly, where can you get crime statistics that you can believe?ge it feels like there is politicizing and lying about them? how can you find out what the crime rate is in your city? well, new york actually does a pretty good job of publishing crime data. what we know is a black new yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white new yorker that fact means we are going to have more stops in black neighborhoods. that s not because the police are racist. it s because they are tryinghe to save the lives of those thousands of people that are living there as mr. williams rightly says, the majority are law abiding. they want the police. they want protection. and the public should know what these massive crime disparities are, which is what is responsible for policing in different neighborhoods. tucker: yeah. so normal people can be
given police officers the right to stop someone if they re in fear of their own safety, they can do a patdown and they can even go in. and now we seem to try to erode even terry vs. ohio and you are putting police officers lives in danger. tucker: heather, really quickly, where can you get crime statistics that you can believe? it feels like there is politicizing and lying about them? how can you find out what the crime rate is in your city? well, new york actually does a pretty good job of publishing crime data. what we know is a black new yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white new yorker that fact means we are going to have more stops in black neighborhoods. that s not because the police are racist. it s because they are trying to save the lives of those thousands of people that are living there as mr. williams rightly says, the majority are law abiding. they want the police. they want protection. and the public should know what these massive crime
chiefs have to let their cops know that they are going to tell the public what the crime data is and that police going to where people are most being victimized, which is tragically in black neighborhoods is not going to get the cops in trouble. tucker: right. so, ted, i mean, when i was a kid, cities were de-populating because of crime. do you think people have forgotten what that was like. i think we are in a different time right now. and you are finding that especially in predominantly black neighborhoods, good people are fearful to just come out in the neighborhood because they don t know the difference whether good police officers are going to be there to help them out or whether the crook is their best friend. and what i am saddened about right now is to try to tie police officers hands. there is a case, constitutionally, terry vs. ohio. that dealt with stop and frisk. and the supreme court has
that police going to where people are most being victimized, which is tragically in black neighborhoods is not going to get the cops in trouble. tucker: right. so, ted, i mean, when i was a kid, cities were de-populating because of crime. do you think people have forgotten what that was like. i think we are in a different time right now. and you are finding that especially in predominantly black neighborhoods, good people are fearful to just come out in the neighborhood because they don t know the difference whether good police officers are going to be there to help them out or whether the crook is their best friend. and what i am saddened about right now is to try to tie police officers hands. there is a case, t constitutionally, terry vs. ohio. that dealt with stop and frisk. and the supreme court has given police officers the right to stop someone if they re in fear of their own safety, they can do a patdown and they can even go
standing custom and practice on the part of the police. it s well-founded in the common plows of the supreme court decision. terry vs. ohio validated it. it s on the books in every jurisdiction in america. it is a tool that police officers absolutely need. and i think there was a mistake in decision by the district court here in new york the mayor refused to go forward with an appeal even after the judge was reduced in that case. we have the practice greatly reduced and greatly diminished in new york city. in its height it amounted to less than one stop a week by a pa control officer and less than one patdown every two weeks. it wasn t excessive in my mind. but the activists got ahold of this issue, ran with it and now the practice is greatly curtailed in new york city and in other jurisdictions as well. well, i just want to