the vertical speed was erratic. now you re talking about this system where the plane noses up, this system where boeing brings the nose down. there s concern about that, that the pilots may not have known how to override that system what are your thoughts? i disagree with that pilots not knowing unless the training syllabus that went to. trace: it wasn t in the training manuel a lot of pilots said when they came out with this, a lot of override, the maneuvering characteristic system was not in the initial flight crew training manual. so it will be put in now. that s a complaint they had. the terminology wasn t in there. a run-away trim system has been in there since 1967. so it s the same results, the same indication and the action required by the pilots are the same. reach down and turn them off. it s right there beside your