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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:19:00

be bringing this case, and it looks like it s imminent, unless he had it nailed down solid with evidence. the charges will not be light or fringe-like, and the evidence will be overwhelming, because that s what we see generally speaking in all federal cases. the federal government would rather ditch a case than lose a case. so this is the strength of what we re about to see happen. also, you led with this issue of the likely spring board that happened from the january 6th work, excellent, the committee, to lead to where jack smith is today. i m both disturbed by that and encouraged by it, disturbed because i took way too long for the fbi and the doj and we learn more about this delay every day for them to get their act together, and that s bad. but the congress, this

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:21:00

it seemed to prove two really important things. one, if doj brought a criminal case, it would not be novel. that was a big hang-up about 18 months ago. two, if doj worries the public couldn t process the story about a sitting president trying to cling to power using anti-democratic and legal methods, the public very much is capable of understanding that story. in fact, it broke decades of midterm political history in that it averted a red wave. i mean, it seems that two of the big hang-ups were wiped out by the work of the congressional committee as well as all the evidence developed by it. yeah. we ve talked before on this program about how general pli throughout my career i ve kept at arm s length and even held in disdain the notion that the serious comprehensive investigation could be conducted by congressional committee. i have changed my mind on that, not only yes, i do think that i do think that we would

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 21:14:00

justice, brandon van grabbing. he s well versed and very patient with us and our questions about it. take us through just first explain to us what happened today. so what was supposed to happen today is a focus on scheduling what s going to happen with respect to classified information in the case. there are certain procedures and hearings and filings that occur with respect to classified information based on a law called the classified information procedures act. what it appears is the focus instead was really on trying to set a trial date and at least based on the reporting, it doesn t seem like there was discussions of the cipa process and really a back and forth of when they re going to put that stake in the ground to try to have a trial. so one of the notes that the new york times reporter on this

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:42:00

of these attempts in the future. big news happening at the state level as well on the criminal casualty front. in your state, the attorney general announcing charges against 16 individuals who were charged with eight counts each, all felonies, if convicted, leading to lengthy prison sentences. i guess two questions on this. we know this has been on her radar. she has referred it to doj and took the case back and focused on it anew, seeing little action and movement from doj in their pre-jack smith period. your reaction to the charges in michigan today. this was an actionable plan, not just an idea to lie to the federal government about who won a presidential election and how michigan s electoral vote should go. and it wasn t just again an idea. this was an actual fraudulent attempt to overturn and

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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 21:15:00

submitted or sort of has tweeted about is something i wanted you to expand on for us. this is from the new york times. beneath the scheduling issues was a fascinating philosophical scruggs of the nature of trump as a defendant. it revolved around the question of should trump be treated like any other defendant or did his role as a candidate need to be taken into account. one, expand on that for us. and two, where do you come down on that debate? i think it s also related to some of the reporting that talked about the judge in this case really pressing the defendant s counsel on why this case is complex. under law under the speedy trial act, trials need to occur within 70 days of charging in which a judge makes a decision to exclude certain information certain time, it s justified. what the judge is saying, explain to me why this is complex, to the defendants, give

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