trump on the issues he s a notorious flip flopper. i m playing a clip of a few weeks ago of meet the press. i m almost more disappointed with the republicans. they have to toughen up on obamacare which is a total lie and which is a total and complete disaster. health care? liberal on health care. we have to take care of people that are sick. universal health care? we have to take care nothing else. when s the country about if we don t take care of our sick? i m pro-life. i m very pro-choice. i hate the concept of abortion. i hate it. i hate everything it stands for. i cringe listening to people debating the subject. but you still i just believe in choice. i mean that s so remarkable. i covered the republican backlash against health care on capitol hill. anybody that supported universal health care at any stage immediately tarred and feathered
haven t always well they haven t always practiced what they preach i suppose. i don t think they have. i think you re right. rick santorum has identified a problem in the gop, which as a party the people who give all the money at the top, the business interests and the base are not the big business interests. the working class, the middle class. that s a hard party to run. i think you re going to see more of a populist message from all the candidates in this presidential campaign because republicans are sick of getting tarred and feathered for supporting corporate interests and big business interests, while the democrats do the same and then people turn around and say you stand for the rich. in the meantime all the rich all the corporate, they re donating to the democrats, the republicans are getting screwed here for a long time. and you ll see much more of a populist message, much more of a let s figure out the income inequality and that free markets and small businesses not the s
nationwide. the national headquarters stressed that the national organization does not intend to pursue legal action against university of oklahoma. they say that for the past several days they have not even engaged with the local chapter since it shut down. they want to separate themselves from the local organization. as for university officials on campus they tell nbc news it would be inappropriate to comment on any pending litigation. frances, back to you. gabe gutierrez reporting from the campus of oklahoma university there. thank you. let s bring in john burns, criminal defense attorney. thanks for being here in studio. let s get started with this. you have steven jones telling the local nbc affiliate there that these two students you know that they are termed at racists, tarred and feathered, this incident is being exploited. does this chapter have an argument in making a case here? i don t see, i don t think
know? not so much timothy mcveigh because he is a high powered well known attorney. even with that background? that has nothing. means he is a high profile experienced lawyer. that doesn t make this case have more merit because he is involved in it. so from my point of view it is a good offense as a way to defend against these particular allegations, draw attention from the university and students. i don t view it has merit against the university. would you go as far as to say it is a tactic to distract the media from the real issue here? absolutely. i totally think that. it is misdirection on its face. you think about something else when the real issue is about racial comments that were made because those are offensive comments and the university president has taken strict action against it but let s go away from that they re saying let s talk about something else talk about me the lawyer. talk about my clients, the two students that were tarred
but i m very glad that something is done so we don t have a government shutdown and the republicans getting tarred and feathered and having a bad election in november of 2014. this isn t a good bill. it is something get it out of the way and we will get the good bills deal when we finally get some sense in government with a different senate and house and then a new president. then we will be able do the whole thing. but to expect my type of thing coming out of an agreement is just to expect too much. that was the part on republicans hearing from them in saying look, we don t want a gift shutdown. the media will i khilari us on this. you can make the argument that if you are obstinate to rein in spending the other side is equally obstinate not to. be that as it may republicans didn t want to get in a pr might mayor. that s exactly right. to fight this another day. what tea partiers are saying they are not sure they will be fighting another day tea partiers are completely 100%